Downtown South development

Who says OneWakeViaDurham’s demand for Affordable Housing has to be WALKABLE to places in DTR? I mean even if you’re carless, you still have public transit, which I thought was the mantra here that we need people to use anyway. But OneWake thinks the poor need to be able to walk out their front door and down the block to get their paycheck? BS.

For people “priced out” of their rent or property taxes because of development nearby, there’s a lot to be said with the predictability of the master planned suburbs where they don’t suddenly get a stadium or a North Hills built in the middle of their neighborhood. Ironically, those who want to ensure lower costs for themselves would have a lower costs and greater control over their financial destiny by living farther out in the burbs than living downtown. They can rent somewhere cheap elsewhere (the burbs on public transit line if needed), get some roommates if they can’t do it on their own, or do what people have done for 100’s of years: work hard, save up, move up. Get your furniture the same way many of us got when we were poor: Goodwill.
For the poster saying people don’t have the “privilege” to move, that’s just asinine. You follow the money and go where jobs are that pay you enough to cover your expenses. If you can’t cover your expenses, either reduce them or increase your income. This is not rocket science and “poor people” aren’t unable to figure out how to control their own destiny. With all that’s been spent on programs for poor or subsidized housing, you’d think it would be fixed by now, but it seems people complain they want even MORE help. Not trying to turn this political, but OneWakeViaDurham has made it political by getting involved, and of course the approval process by elected officials makes it inherently political.
But seriously, this outside group should concentrate on their own downtown in Durham instead of Raleigh’s.

David Cox be like: :rofl:

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That mean we better vote like hell!!!

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That’s going to depend on all of us getting out and voting. Fortunately for this council that the NIMBYs have had both the pandemic and the election suck the air out of the room without much room for their blather.

I really think that the council should be marketing the good financial effects for the entire city to continue developing more densely within downtown and other nodes in the city. I’ve been using my mother’s current experience as a teaching moment with her. Her block/street/neighbor’s backyards are currently being torn up for a major stormwater project. I keep reminding her that she should be glad that those few neighbors alone aren’t on the hook for the costs or it would bankrupt them all. As Raleigh’s 70s & 80s era infrastructure starts to age past its useful lifetime, someone’s going to have to pay for its maintenance/replacement.

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Kane is a known entity in the city. We see his work, he has been transparent and has delivered on his promises. If he was not from here and didn’t have the local portfolio then I can see taking a deeper and more deliberate look at it. I love the idea of bringing in minority builders to help out on the project. It’s Always’s great to have a diverse group of developers. However, on most sites I have seen it seems it is always majority of certain immigrant class, whatever, don’t really have an issue but they should make sure the diverse groups are actually diverse themselves. No one else has the money here that is willing to take this on. The non profit groups are full of hot air. We the voter and the people we voted in have had our say, these groups try and leverage consolidation of power and privileges to force their agenda, not the people’s agenda. They get suckers to work for them for free while the director and board take home six figure “non-profit salaries” and they promise dreams and deliver schemes. In a project this size what is affordable, who is the targeted affordable housing for, what is affordable in downtown right now and if you are on the low end of the spectrum can you really afford downtown prices, everything costs more downtown as far as food, drink and amenities.

Kane is a god send, this thing is so damned huge, it totally changes the game for that area, the city and the triangle as a whole. Driving by that blight for far too long. Running this displacement and gentrification game is not applicable here. This is a farce on its face.

This is the best thing that can happen to all of the residents in this area as it will actually get done, not a bunch of empty government promises.

This company does great work, they care about this town and it’s people and they make shit happen. Get out of the way, these groups can go and run these money making schemes on target and apple, leave this guy alone.

Break ground on Wednesday.

Have a blessed day!

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I So Agree With You ! Thanks for this kind of support ! Ditto !

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Link to the live meeting for tonight. Watch and comment here.

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You and I agree 100 percent.

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I don’t believe this has been shared yet. Locations of those speaking tonight for and against.

While the concentration around the development (DTR core) is supportive, I’m surprised the amount of support coming from the more sparse areas.

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The areas immediately to the southeast and east of DTS don’t seem well-represented by either side, though, and they’re the ones who’ll most likely see the whole place up close. I wonder how many of the speakers will represent those neighborhoods?

I’m curious as to why anyone outside of the city limits can speak at city hearings?

This is more a general question, as most appear to be supportive of DTS.

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Thanks for posting that here. At the same time, I believe these dots don’t represent 1 single speaker though as some speakers represent multiple people. A better map would have the dots increase in size for how many speakers they represent.

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That was my questions too. I’d be happy to speak up for this project. However, as much as I love DTR, I am not a citizen of Raleigh, so figure I need to leave the speaking to people who live there.

You’d have a rather large dot, Leo. :crazy_face:
:green_circle:

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You know, if I was more organized, I could have just created a poll and spoken for the Pro side. Oh well.

I’ve got my little speech ready.

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In all fairness, what’s really to the immediate east and southeast of the site? The closest residents in that direction are to the east of Garner Rd., in a place that Google Maps identifies as Rochester Heights. As a reminder, Garner road is 3 major N/S roads to the east of the site after Wilmington and Hammond.
To the immediate SE, the area is industrial/warehouse. Who’s going to be interested in speaking from there?
The only immediately adjacent residential neighbors are those to the site’s north in Caraleigh. To the NE you then have Walnut Terrace, which is already subsidized housing, and the Cargill site. A bit further NE of there, and on the other side of Wilmington, is South Park.
There just aren’t that many immediately affected residents in most directions of the site. It’s mostly industrial, warehouse, and other redevelopment opportunity sites.
Just imagine when the Cargill site finds a developer, we get to go through same thing all over again! :wink:

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It’s interesting that most of the closest speakers to the site are in favor of it.

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Most of those people are probably new to the area and the red dots are for people who’ve been there for decades

My guess is that green is owners and red is renters. just a hunch.
If I owned a house in Caraleigh, I’d be like ‘bring it on’. If this goes down like Kane wants, every single one of those lots will be primed for tear-down and rebuilt as a large expensive home.

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