Socio-economic upheaval of developing a brownfield site that has no residents?
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Yes, they unanimously voted against because the case is inconsistent with future land use map and comprehensive plan.
They also said that they felt that it should be a planned development and not a rezoning.
They pointed the lack of public engagement and the fact that it was going too fast.
N&O article is here… still reading through it, but here’s a sample:
The Raleigh Planning Commission voted unanimously against recommending Downtown South, but that resolution is non-binding and moves along the project that is facing an end-of-year deadline.
The commission’s decision triggers a public hearing during a special Raleigh City Council meeting Dec. 15 from 7 to 9 p.m., followed by a second meeting on Dec. 17.
Edit: additionally, Anna Johnson from N&O live-tweeted the meeting in great detail.
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And this stupid comment “The impact of the massive project on local neighborhoods has been a sore spot since Kane and partners including NC Football Club owner Steve Malik first announced the project.”
LeVelle Moton is an outstanding person, he coach basketball at my highschool before getting the job at NC Central. I’m glad he has joined the team in some fashion, but the amount of arguing and insinuation this development is only for the wealthy or one particular race is exhausting. I’m not sure why identity politics poisons nearly any development proposal but it’s getting old and one denominational.
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I think their key point is this should be a planned development (and it doesn’t NEED to move this fast). More work to be done by Kane / Malik…
Where many of us might see a NHills style development in their backyard as a positive, others might simply see the wave of progress washing over them without the tools to swim with the current.
Not so much at Penmarc site itself but guaranteeing the other rezoning blocks (without much planned or committed to by the developers) and the ripple effect to all surrounding neighborhoods.
Council will still have their say, which matters more. We shall see.
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Agreed. I mean, I live relatively near the Fenton project, and no one asked me if I could afford my property taxes if my home value goes up as a result, or if I would feel sad and excluded if I couldn’t afford to hang out there. I’m still supportive of that project… If I couldn’t afford to live here, I’d move somewhere I could. If I didn’t want to hang out there, I’d go somewhere I did…
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The good thing is the City Council can still vote to approve regardless of the planning commission recommendation…
After reading the N&O article; it appears the PC vote was somewhat procedural so as to allow for the Council to move forward…in other words; the PC had to take a vote “Yes/No” in order to move forward.
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For what it’s worth, there actually are a couple of houses on the proposed stadium site, but, curiously, they’re not all included in the rezoning request even though they will almost certainly have to go if the stadium gets built. I went down Bluff St. a few weeks ago and couldn’t tell whether or not they’re still occupied (they were as of April 2019), but the one on Walker St. definitely appears to serve as an industrial office now.
Just something to think about when we say the site has no residents.
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“they almost certainly will have to go” translates into “YOU WILL MAKE BANK BECAUSE OF WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS WHEN WE OFFER YOU $$$”
No you’re smoking something you ppl are nuts if you believe MLS is coming to Raleigh!!! Raleigh had it chance and the natives were too scared like always to make it happen, cause of the status quo in Raleigh políticas and everything. (That’s why I made the Lack Of Outsiders Page). MLB has s better chance of coming here if Malik actual listens and follows the investors. Malik had investors but when MLS came to Charlotte they fell out but there interested in bringing MLB to Raleigh. We’re desperate and your exploiting, it see if we had an opportunity here to get a team you’d try to stop it, and you delusional selves still believe MLS is coming here when the commissioner said it’s not happening. Yes Raleigh is a large TV Market number 24 according to the new Nielsen DMA rankings, but CLT is 22. Okay don’t give me the oh San José/Sacramento stuff that doesn’t work San José (#6 DMA) and Sacramento is (#20 DMA) embrace the idea MLB is better idea don’t be stupid take the better easy route to Raleigh’s dream of having a second professional sports team!!!
Very interesting. The fact that a media headline emphasizes the race of the new investors that have joined the team highlights the atmosphere of critical theory that we find ourselves in. someone asked me earlier in the thread for a specific example of how race affected a developer’s outcomes in getting approval from a city, and I did not respond because it’s one of those things; when you’re a fish you don’t feel the wetness of the water you swim in
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I mean… is the race of the investors not crucially relevant to the news?
Raleigh Raised Development, or RRD, “will be working with the project team to guarantee significant participation of local minority businesses throughout the entire development, beginning with the contracts and construction of the District,” the partners said.
Moton and partners Clarence Mann and Terrell Midgett, who grew up in Southeast Raleigh, say they want to “shine light on the under-representation of the Black community in local development efforts” and “continue to give back by lifting up the voices of development in Southeast Raleigh by focusing on the promotion and development of locally-owned, black businesses.”
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I see your point, and for this story yes perhaps the specific race should be in the headline as a pertinent highlight of the story. I should add that this sounds really great, and I’m super excited for the whole development team to have a group of local and racially diverse investors. Nevertheless, the microscope through which development proposals, policy proposals, marketing campaigns, etc etc are scrutinized appears to increasingly focus on social identity especially as it relates to power and privilege.
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We’re going to get a real world test of one of the prongs of the prediction @evan.j.bost made! This is actually exciting; it’s like they saw our debate and wanted to run an experiment!
My prediction is that this is not going to significantly placate One Wake in any way, but, hey, now we’ll get to see for real; maybe I’m wrong. But, and this was sort of the point I made earlier, you’ll notice that they’re not going out of their way to add more women or LGBTQ developers, which I think means that the developers have a very accurate sense of what’s more likely to help their case politically.
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Let the games begin!
Not the same same because the proposition/opposition has already started and gained momentum in opposing directions, but I’m sure there will be a social perception impact.
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This may be true. But could there be other reasons why Kane isn’t bringing in women/LGBT-owned developers?
Raleigh Raised Development was just formed this July and introduced on Twitter two months ago, and they still don’t seem to have their own website. If they’re such a new organization, it makes me wonder whether a gender minority-owned commercial developer is even out there to begin with (let alone be interested and able to be a part of DTS).
The lack of evidence isn’t always evidence in itself, after all.
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It does sound like the discussion has been headed in the right direction, but the PC is right, this should never have been a rezoning, it should have been a PD, and several of us on here have been saying this all along. This was a miscalculation by the developers.
Why did they decide to go for RZ? Did somebody at the city advise them to do so, or was it some sort of gambit to clear future red tape?
Kane would be wise to withdraw the application and resubmit.
For the pro-development people, if this goes through council as-is, I worry that the current YIMBY council will be a one-and-done crew. Play the long game. Get it resubmitted as a PD, allow a few more months for the good faith constructive voices to be heard (and the parasitic naysaying NIMBYs to show their true colors) and we’ll be all the better for it.
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Donovan and i do not agree often but on this point he is spot on. They “partnered” with a black
firm for one reason…
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Can you explain this point further? I thought a PD was a way for the city to write a blank zoning-check to developers to grant flexibility and prevent future red tape? (i.e. NH)
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