It’s not even gritty, it’s frickin’ Five Points. It’s just not as nice of a place to spend time as it could be.
I was able to get some early plans for East End Bistro going in Progress Court in the East End market.


Disagree. Lone rider is good, Lola’s is good, Crafty is good, Nofo is good, and Bloomsbury Bistro is good.
Yeah you’re not wrong. I’m not honestly super familiar with everything there. Lonerider was kind of just ok, though, in my opinion.
Updated site plan for Budleigh East from their website. I noticed the buildings across from Red Dragon have a legend for them now, Brownstones. I think the original assumption was that these were retail?
Looks great, if this much affordable housing was replaced with market rate homes and apartments downtown the hyperventilating would be endless. The local news would be involved, with interviews from residents complaining they have nowhere to go. People would start accusing the city council of being on the side of developers and so on.
Left unsaid in that is the flip side - if the developer tried to jam an affordable housing development into that neighborhood, there would be pitchforks in front of city hall. And it’s not like they acquiesced in the development either
You’re right they would have, but considering all of the Country Club Homes were affordable housing, and replacing them with none, the pitchforking would imply “we would prefer they not return”.
It’s just the unspoken rules for certain parts of the city and selective moral outrage almost depicted on who the neighbors are, is hard to ignore.
Do I think affordable housing should go here? not necessarily no, just an observation.
Does anyone know the difference between the buildings marked “Hayes Barton Place” versus the ones marked with generic usages?
I believe Hayes Barton Place is the senior living component already under construction - adjoins Oberlin Middle School.
Looks like just the one retail building on the corner of Fairview and Oberlin now. At least it’s something.
My hope and dream is that the ground floor of the apartment building (and to a lesser extent, even the retirement home building but way less likely) will be street level retail with apartments above, to extend the retail corridor down Oberlin a bit. It’s not like retail won’t do well here, there’s ample residential foot traffic from what’s already in the area as it stands, all these new builds will just add to it. And truth be told, Idle Hour right down the block is always poppin’
Weren’t there also plans to do something to the left of this (currently apartments diagonal from Mandolin) as well?
The Ironworks area may be expanding towards Capital Blvd. Grubb and 2 other developers are considering building up to 20 stories on the property just ITB at Capital (former car dealership). No real details here, but they held a public meeting on Dec 20 as part of the rezoning from 3 stories to 20 stories.
Interesting. Jamestown is a very high quality developer. Great that they are pursuing another project in Raleigh with Grubb.
The Greenway has been rerouted to go right in front of this property, so I hope they develop in a way that is friendly to bikers and pedestrians.
I’m also hoping it pushes them to do more at this area as far as the greenway goes. It needs a better connection down Atlantic. The location itself is great. The GoRaleigh Route #1 is a high frequency bus during the day. There’s quite a bit of housing right next door. I’d be curious to see a master plan.
I am sick at home with COVID (fully vaxxed; this Omicron is something else) and as I was feverishly struggling to sleep last night I was literally thinking about Ratchford and how it’s this long planned street connection between Atlantic and Capital that was maybe never going to get built, or would have to be built by the city decades from now at great expense.
Then today, this comes along and maybe that changes things.
A 20 story development here should definitely be required to build the connection.
I also know the city just recently completed the greenway reconnection along Ratchford, but this development could/should also be required to rebuild the greenway back along the creek where it belongs, only better built than Sig’s Folly.
Hope you recover quickly!
Funky site in terms of connectivity. Even if they unite the two halves of Ratchford, it’s a very roundabout path to get to the Ironworks area, especially with no sidewalk on Capital where it crosses Crabtree Creek.
Would be a really convenient spot to work for Midtown residents with the Greenway, however.
The BRT MUST fix the sidewalks in this area. Not sure the timeline of the North BRT right now, but I would be blown away if it didn’t do something about this.