Moore Square

Update from the Triangle Biz Journal on this big mixed use complex. Well certain aspects are changing or not happening right away.
Loden Development proposes changes to Downtown Raleigh redevelopment plan.
City Council to discuss options for Moore Square development.
Affordable housing component remains unchanged, starting construction in 2026.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2025/05/19/raleigh-moore-square-development-loden-properties.html?utm_source=st&utm_medium=en&utm_campaign=BN&utm_content=RA&ana=e_RA_BN&j=39929668&senddate=2025-05-19

Looks like the high rise apartment tower may be out for now. I think it was proposed with Greystar.

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Well, that doesn’t sound encouraging. FWIW, I can’t open the link so I am going off of what you write.

another point from the article:
Regarding the eastern site where Loden had proposed a residential tower, a mixed-use building is proposed to be built instead. In city documents, Loden stated ā€œa residential tower cannot be financed on this site in this current market,ā€ leading it to ask for a 120-day evaluation period to revise site plans and submit a new development proposal.

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Check the third and fourth posts above

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Code for another crappy 5over1.

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:grimacing: What does this mean for the grocery store?

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Was it this spot or another that the city sold for like $1?

I’ll give you one guess.

Genuinely baffling to me how Raleigh continues increasing size, now nearing 500,000 people, keeps getting all the ā€œfastest growingā€ and ā€œbest place to liveā€ accolades… MLB expansion talk… etc etc etc… but we can’t build a f**king building over 20 stories? Ever? lmao

Austin just built their 2nd (?) supertall. Atlanta, which we’re nearing in ā€œsizeā€ (population-wise) has 3 separate GIGANTIC skylines. I understand these were all developed over decades but… can we at least GET STARTED???

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It is indeed frustrating, but I think after market conditions improve (whenever that may be), the lid is going to blow off. We have tons of 40-story rezonings already approved now!

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I’ve been waiting for that here since the Great Recession.

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To build high-rise in today’s market, rents need to be around $3.50/SF. Fortunately, Maeve is already in the high $2s and low $3s, and if the lease-up performs well, lenders and investors will likely gain confidence in supporting this expensive building type.

It’s important to remember that these buildings function as financial instruments. Right now, alternative investments offer strong returns with lower risk, meaning high-rises must deliver even higher returns to stay competitive. Historically, apartments would trade at a 4.5% cap rate, but with the 10-year treasury also at 4.5% and senior debt rates in the low 5s, we’re in a negative leverage scenario. This limits the pool of potential buyers and lowers the ā€œas-completeā€ valuation of projects.

Until Raleigh’s rental market demonstrates that spending $400/SF on a building makes financial sense, we’ll continue seeing lower-cost five-story apartments.

It’s like trying to sell A5 Wagyu which cost $40 at a restaurant when customers are only willing to pay $30 - you can’t justify the expense if the market won’t support it.

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That seems pretty cheap. I’d buy that! :wink:
(Did I get the point of your post?)

That’s per ounce of A5!

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Oh ok perfect! I only wanted 1 oz anyways. :upside_down_face:

Sorry, min order portion is 3 ounces

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This restaurant sucks. No wonder they can’t succeed in Raleigh!

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Its the same reason we dont have any nice hotels in Raleigh, Gucci and Hermes stores, etcc like all those other markets do. We are a ā€œvalueā€ market where companies and residents choose not to flash. You take the good and the bad with that…part of the bad being people not wanting to pay $4.00 rents needed to build 40 story buildings.

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This is a good point.
Interestingly North Hills has become the flashy, fashion/wealth-forward district and will likely continue to build high-rise residential faster than DTR. However, DTR will continue to have more character and be more reflective of the general population, which personally I am attracted to.

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Loden walked away from the East site (tower), the City will set that property back out for ideas.
Agreed to up front cash plus long-lease to cover the difference in the ā€˜highest / best use’ difference of appraisal $ for the South (hotel) portion, won’t move the older house but still working to find some agreement to renovate the old Esso station, etc…
Affordable housing on pace, hopefully moving ahead next year.

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