Other than just being there, there doesn’t seem to be anything terribly proactive about their policing. It seems mostly reactive. I’ve personally never seen them do anything to effectively and proactively bring temperatures down on crowds in Glenwood South. This mostly includes insanely loud music coming out of cars, folks screaming at each other in the wee hours of the AM, after hours loitering in combination with screaming, yelling, & loud music, etc.
The new noise ordinance is doing its job on outdoor amplification at businesses. I hear much less of that now.
On my walk back, I smelled a lot of weed along Boylan. As I walked, I was thinking to myself that it might make folks more chill, so I’m not going to complain about that. Clearly that didn’t work. 
I am glad you got home safely @John. This Glennwood Ave thing is really out of hand especially in the wee hours of the morning. Noise ordinance enforcement with higher fees. Disorderly conduct arrests after midnight. I am just struggling to understand why this seems to get out of hand all the time. And they know it is coming yet they don’t have the tools to even slow it down. But the guns and knives start making it scary for everybody.
My question is which bars are letting underage kids in? https://dwslivescan.co.wake.nc.us/mug/MugshotSearch.aspx
Looking at the arrest information from last night, most of them were underage or have face/ neck tattoos, which I’m thinking is gang related (just hear me out). From working at different bars on that street for several years, I know that years before i started, the business owners got together and agreed to implement strict dress code policies for entry after certain hours to curb the gang activity in glenwood south and it worked pretty well. I moved away during covid, but I can honestly say, it was never this bad in my years of working Glenwood south. I think a similar meeting needs to take place again. Idc how many ppl hate it, make folks dress nicer to enter your establishment and the bs will go down… Sharply. And don’t get me started on the fake i.ds to get in. We would collect hundreds of fakes a weekend “back in my day” which tells me some places aren’t taking it seriously.
It honestly breaks my heart to see our main dt entertainment district turn to a sh*t show, but change needs to happen. A strong police presence will only help so much
I have been raising concerns about Glenwood South for a LONG time here in the community and I have often been shot down (pun intended) in the comments as being some sort of “Karen”. Among other things, I’ve been told “if you don’t like it then move”, etc. The problems are real & persistent, and the city needs to address them.
The ongoing incidents in Glenwood South are simply not acceptable for a fast growing and highly populated urban neighborhood downtown. IMO, these incidents pose the greatest threat to downtown’s vitality, investments, brand, and transformation to an urban, walkable centerpiece for the city.
There are lots of robust, 7 day a week entertainment establishments on Glenwood, but there are also many others that are primarily cheap late night weekend drinking establishments that contribute NOTHING to urban placemaking, and they are destroying the neighborhood and its potential.
The redevelopment of some of these key parcels cannot come quickly enough.
It was my understanding that the incident happened from individuals (young teens) that were not in the bars, but loitering outside. Regardless of whether the bars ramped up enforcement I’m not sure this would have prevented the issues.
The city needs to nip this s(hite in the bud and quick.
Also there seems to have been a problem in Brier Creek with a fireworks show there with teenagers too fighting and this is in the city limits. There were problems with youth fighting from Newport Beach CA to Hilton Head SC to uptown Charlotte where 28 arrested including youth to 12 years old after midnight too. Charlotte has a youth curfew. Several parents were cited as well of these youth. This is a nationwide problem it seems. But can not continue.
But the kids are loitering there because of the bars and the outdoor music and the scene.
RPD news release on it:
Do you think the city should or even could shut down these clubs? Or create a midnight curfew on Glenwood South to calm things down? I just returned from a multi-city trip to France and there were thousands of peope out and about at night drinking and dancing etc but they have no fear of being shot.
IMO it’s not about the clubs or street, it’s about the “teen takeover” that doesn’t care where they do this at. See here in Charlotte at a nice outdoor mall: Hundreds of Teens Flood North Carolina Mall, Disrupt Traffic and Climb on Cars - Newsweek
The solution is enforcement on Teens and curfews and parental accountability.
3000 teens at Brier Creek then they were disbursed and many made it down to Glenwood South. These are organized and nationwide police are going to have infiltrate social media where these events are being organized. Hilton Head, Newport Beach CA had takeovers too. In Charlotte they have a curfew and cited parents. Raleigh police said half were from outside the city. Social media is what is whipping these teen takeovers up.
It doesn’t matter if the police know about a Teen Takeover if they are going to be soft on enforcement. I can say I was told from RPD officer that hands are tied when it comes to teen enforcements based on directive from top, so they will need to regroup and figure something out.
The N&O says 3000 at Brier Creek and 5000 at Glenwood South. I guess DTR is more popular than the extreme city limits. 
I don’t know how many people RPD can arrest, transport, and book, but it’s not multiple hundreds. For that you’d need the other county jails to take some of them.
5000 tennagers out at 1-2 am???
Gee - I wonder why? Could it be the proliferation of guns in this country?
Unfortunately, law enforcement is viewing the problem from a reactive perspective rather than a proactive perspective.
One would think that city police departments all over the country could figure out how to infiltrate teen groups and stop these events before they happen. If they are really being organized by teens and they claim their “hands are tied,” it says a lot about law enforcement’s ability to stop more sophisticated, coordinated illegal activity.
I’ve heard of a few recent instances where teen takeovers planned at local skating rinks were prevented before they occurred. RPD should go take notes.
I’m no expert on policing, just here to suggest there are probably several ways to create positive change that don’t directly punish business owners. I’d start with looking at systemic efforts our peers have implemented — 6th Street in Austin, Broadway in Nashville — rather than reinvent the wheel.
Even if you don’t frequent Glenwood, having an entertainment district in Raleigh is an economic and tourism draw that clearly has value. Anything the city comes up with really ought to nurture that.
Miami Beach dealt with these online takeovers at a scale that would make your head spin. We’re talking hundreds of thousands who took over Miami Beach on holiday weekends and Spring Break. It took years of implementing an increasingly police state and practical lockdown of the city to resolve it.
They had to make coming to Miami Beach so miserable for the take-over crowds that they eventually gave up on it.
100%, but this requires a proactive approach and removal of the “hands off” approach when it comes to juveniles. We’ve over rotated by trying to keep teens out of the system and now these problems exist with teens carrying weapons.