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Article is short on details of which property was purchased but so far the only ones purchased were those held by Raleigh Warehouse Holdings, which does not include 320 or 318 S Harrington or the CAM building. Iâm sure if they donât have those under contract already theyâd like to
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CAM wasnât a part of the CBRE listing.
They also purchased two parcels owned by Centerline.
Their project examples on the website look very good too! A handful of heavy timber construction as well.
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They will submit plans to conditioned down to 35 floors. Whacking NIMBYs sayings that transit doesnât matter.
So check back in a month.
Watch brave citizen support this project by listing all the transit spots near or on this property:
Watch this Quorum Center representative say that none of that matters becauseâŚhonestly he just says nonsense for 2+ minutes:
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Downtown continues to march westward with its substantial developments.
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I wouldâve asked for a vote for the 40 stories. Itâs election season, and if someone votes against a 40 story zoning, thatâs their policy decision they can stand behind.
Thank you for the update. Itâs much appreciated.
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Isnât that @haus_of_chad? If so, we all appreciate you for speaking up for this project 
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You caught me hehe! It was My first time speaking at a city council meeting. The Quorum Center representative frustrated me so much in April misrepresenting the transit in this area that I felt like I needed to speak up. There is ZERO reason intense density should not be on this site. And Iâm ashamed of my neighbors at the Quorum Center opposing density next to them because their views might change or thereâll be more traffic (their quotes).
From what it sounded like, the developer has some agreement with the adjacent church which seems to have relieved some of the council membersâ concerns, so I do believe this rezoning case will likely be approved. Hereâs to a likely new 35 story building in Raleigh!
Iâve attached the slides I presented in case anyone wants to see.
Edenton St Rezoning - Transit.pdf (1.4 MB)
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Itâs a shame that all sides canât have an honest discussion about whatâs really important to them instead of resorting to technicalities, policy loopholes, etc. So, we all participate in this Tango and dance around the real issues.
There are real concerns that the folks at Quorum have. I too wouldnât want to stare at a 40 story wall directly across from my condo if I lived there. I understand that concern and so should every other person. Of course, one canât say thatâs the concern because everyone just jumps on them for being a NIMBY. Nonetheless, itâs a concern.
A property owner also has issues that are valid. They want to maximize their property for a return on investment. I get that too. In a growing city like Raleigh, land values keep escalating and itâs getting impossible to show a return on investment without maximizing it and going vertical.
From a civic standpoint, itâs important for the city to increase its revenues, and maximizing tax potential on existing city land with existing infrastructure is likely always the desirable decision. However, city leaders are also elected officials and they have the impossible task of making everyone happy.
So, instead of talking to each other in good faith (pun intended), a church is used as a pawn in the tug of war. For those whoâve read some of my other posts, we already know how I feel about churches being treated with way too much deference while allowing them to not pay taxes on their properties. They seem to hold all the cards. I digressâŚ
IMO, if the developer sat down with the Quorum owners and heard them out, and found a way to compromise with them on a view corridor while maximizing their property potential, weâd have a win/win. Of course, the Quorum owners would have to come to the conversation in good faith and not pretend that they can forever have 360 degree visual command of the city. This can be done. In the end, the developer shouldnât want their units to have crappy views as much as the Quorum doesnât want to have to look directly into another building when they look out the window.
Alas, I fear that this sort of engagement wonât happen because nobody wants to be seen as weak by opening with a compromising posture for fear of being railroaded by the other side. So, theyâll all lawyer-up and spend gobs of money if this drags on and on.
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First @haus_of_chad, great job man. I hope we see you supporting other projects in downtown in the future. 
Second, what stands out to me most about this Quorum Center situation is that somebody is paying for an attorney to dig into every little detail and (seemingly desperately) spewing issues with the development that if every development were under the same none-sense scrutiny, nothing would ever get built. So, who is actually paying this attorney? If itâs the HOA, I hope they had a vote and it was nearly if not completely unanimous. As a board member on the HOA at the Fairweather, regardless of my opinion, thereâs no way we use our HOA dues for this type of legal expense without 100% support. I doubt 100% of the people at the Quorum Center are on board with that so Iâm hoping this was funded by those that oppose it. The representative is still saying he represents the entire community there which again, I would have an issue with if I lived there.
And weâre about to go through this at the Fairweather so stay tuned.
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This just isnât right. The distance from the Quorum Center Residences to where the new building would be is over 125 feet. This is not âdirectly acrossâ. And the residents will continue to get great views of surrounding areas as well as what is likely to be a beautiful new tower 125 feet south. You live in a downtown tower, you should be perfectly happy, and expect, to live near other downtown towers. Additionally, we need other downtown residential towers because downtown is where density should go if nowhere else. Why should a developer not be allowed to build a dense residential tower on their lot just like the developer who built the Quorum Center did? What about every other city, or even in our own city on or around Fayetteville Street, where people seem to (mostly) be just fine with having other buildings outside their windows? It seems like the Quorum Center residents believe they have an exclusive right to views in their immediate area, which I just strongly disagree with.
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Their southern views are going from âkick-assâ to âhopefully itâs a nice building across the street.â
I think we can understand that itâs a downgrade, while still all agreeing that this is something they should have factored into their purchase decision instead of fighting tooth and nail.
All I can say is that as a lover of downtown living, I would be 100% happy with having a tower outside my window. I would personally see it as an upgrade, but I do understand other people may not see it that way. Itâs just if you donât see it that way, maybe downtown living isnât for you.
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Currently housesitting at the Avenue in downtown Charlotte. I donât even notice the other tall buildings 100 feet next door to the windows.
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May I refer you to another part of my post where I say that the Quorum folks canât take the position that they command 360 degree views of the city?
There is context to what I wrote.
Having gone through this at my building (for what is now 615 Peace), attorney fees are going to fall on the HOA for certain. I tried my damnedest to get our HOA Board to engage and even gave them ideas of how the solution could benefit us vs what could have been built under the previous 3 story zoning without our voice at all, but they chose the lawyer route instead.
Ironically, we ended up with a building that was VERY similar to what I drew for the HOA Board in the first place, with the building stepping back from ours as it grew taller.
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STRONGLY disagree. You live downtown? You have no control over what happens to surrounding properties in a growing city. To compromise on a âview corridorâ (a ridiculous concept in ANY city) would be to open the floodgates for anyone that owns a condo downtown to demand the same.
Thatâs a win for them, sure- but a LOSE for the city.
And to reiterate: Just because you own one single condo in one single building in the city doesnât give you ANY power over what else happens ANYWHERE else in the city besides YOUR building you have a stake in. Full stop. Even if the development is immediately next door and your view will become nothing but a new building, sorry - you live IN A CITY.
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It sure is, yet it simply does not matter whatsoever, sorry.
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