Raleigh and Durham MSAs remain separate. CSA gains Harnett and Lee counties back from Fayetteville but loses Granville county. Net population change:
+65k Lee
+139k Harnett
-62k Granville (apparently Oxford no longer qualifies as a micropolitan area)
=+142k net
Haven’t run all the numbers, but puts Raleigh-Durham CSA neck and neck with Cincinnati CSA for #30 largest; Cincy lost two tiny counties but appears to have 2.294M vs. the Triangle’s 2.287M (2022 estimates).
Harnett County is now “Anderson Creek Micropolitan Statistical Area”; the Census created a CDP in 2020 around the Anderson Creek golf club which apparently has a larger population than Dunn (est. 1887), much less Lillington.
Did the Durham-Chapel Hill MSA always have Person County?
20500 Durham-Chapel Hill, NC Metropolitan Statistical Area
Principal Cities: Durham, Chapel Hill
Chatham County, Durham County, Orange County, Person County
it does appear that Durham MSA lost Granville Co.
The loss of Granville isn’t much of a loss since it’s not really growing all that much, but the addition of Lee and Harnett is a small boon to the CSA.
And of course, Nashville (who we recently passed in CSA population) got even more bloated with the addition of 4 counties. Again, not sure if that’s MSA or CSA. The Triangle is faster growing than either Charlotte or Nashville, and yet they pick up a net +9 counties combined and we pick up net +1. Sheesh!
just looked up the new Nashville county adds, and it looks like the Triangle’s net +1 county is worth more in population than Nashville’s net +4
Looks like our CSA is sitting around 2.33M now, but we likely won’t climb in the rankings because I think that there are some CSAs that were created even larger. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. One we may have jumped is Cincinnati. but I think that a larger one was created around Hartford, CT. correction (sorry whale) but it seems to be around New Haven
Boo, I wanted a merger also I’m mad they keep spoiling that other NC Metro. Now commuter rail funding gets smaller.
Do the feds hate us are they working with Livable Raleigh to make us small and unattractive you know what f*ck these results another dismal decade for us. Are they interviewing NIMBY politicians for there input? I have questions.
The Feds are screwing us over a making sure we get nothing, I want commuting patterns to go back to 15 or 20% I think we can say goodbye to commuter rail with these numbers. I’m also calling out Biden for this also, he could’ve been behind it. Now people don’t always look at CSAs but I’m disappointed by the news.
The feds are corrupt and have some sort of favoritism. To this area there now 3 million this is insane CSA are just stupid. City data forums agree with me.
Well, we can’t like our CSA and then hate on others’ CSAs. At this point, the CSA is absolutely necessary to adequately describe the Triangle.
I suppose the good news is that our CSA will reach 2.5M more quickly now that it’s been bumped to 2.33M as of 2022 estimates. We should reach 2.5M by about 2026(ish).
Yeah but the MSA gets the attention and we got nothing f*cking nothing, I’m mad because this will mess up transit proposals, and everything else our dreams for the area the Feds spoil every other metro including that other NC metro, but we can’t get nothing. We are gonna suffer for another decade because the Feds hate us they do, they have to be working with some local government, I blame Livable Raleigh, every single old person in office above 40, and NIMBYs. We could lose a lot because of this I’m afraid see if the merger happened yea the growth rate would’ve gone down but we’d be more viable more Fortune 500’s etc.
Who decides this and where can I send hate mail to them?
The two need to be merged. At any cost. Whoever decided to not do so is a brain dead numbskull who as much of a POS as Tricia Cotham. What can we do between now and 2033 to force a merger to take place?
WE NEED TO FORCE RALEIGH AND DURHAM TO BE IN THE SAME MSA. AT ANY COST!!
I have been playing with the population via the latest Census estimates and the bulletin outlining the new designations. I have also been reading the city-data forum for any clues.
It appears that with these new designations, we have indeed passed Cincinnati, but I am not sure what the numbers for them are because I come up with a different number than did the post about them on C-D.
In any case, and using the most generous number that I can surmise for both, this is what I come up with.
Triangle: 2,333.191
Cincy: 2,300,063
Census can deny reality all it wants. It will not change how people live and work or the economic power of this metro.
Maybe in several years if they change their minds Raleigh will have the skyline and 500k city pop to represent. Can’t hurt to be dressed for the occasion.
It’s clear from the OMB bulletin that the next revision needs to start from first principles, not from the existing list that we don’t want to actually change too much.
Gainesville GA still held separate from Atlanta despite Hall Co. sending more than 25% of commuters to Atlanta’s core counties as it has done for a decade now and despite several counties on the other side of Gainesville being included with Atlanta
Holland MI micropolitan area consists of Allegan County, despite the fact that the vast majority of population of the city of Holland is actually in Ottawa County, and thus a part of the Grand Rapids MSA
Salt Lake City and Ogden UT still kept separate despite being if anything more closely integrated than Raleigh and Durham
Calvert Co MD transferred from DC MSA to St Marys-Leonardtown micropolitan area (St Marys Co), although both counties cross commuting threshold for DC (and Calvert is across the threshold for Baltimore, too).
And on and on. It’s a problem, and something congress would need to take a look at if we lived in a functioning democracy.
The commuting data must have some serious quirks to it because a lot of changes that were expected (counties added/dropped from various areas, not combinations/splits) didn’t occur. In fact very few changes were made anywhere. Inertia was very much in control.
It all just goes to show that statistics are all how you slice them and report them.
For example, Wake County had more votes for Biden than the entire Durham-Chapel Hill MSA, and the county’s Biden margin was also larger than the Durham-Chapel Hill MSA.
In fact, Wake County had both the most votes for Biden and the most votes for Trump of any county in the state.
Johnston County in particular pulls the Raleigh MSA to the right a bit, but it remained solidly in the Biden column. I am not sure that one can say the same for Charlotte USA’s MSA.
Raleigh was estimated at 469,000 last year, and now is estimated at 477,000. Quite a jump. Wake County was estimated to be 1,175,000 (up 25,000 from 2021).
