Did Devereux meadows or Peace st flood during Gaston?
Agreed @orulz the maps would be cool to see.
Thanks @Alan for the names, I remembered Crabtree and the one by the airport, but forgot Lynn and Shelly.
They seem to have the flooding in Crabtree valley pretty well under control, save 500 yr rain falls. How about the flooding along 6 Forks & Wake Forest? That area use to flood regularly.
Six Forks and WF Road still a problem but better than in the past. I havenât seen Peace Flood (beyond standing rain right after a gully washer) in quite a while.
That is Crabtree creek as well. Just further downstream.
For anyone who thinks that that investing in malls will make them survive, here is an architect professorâs take on that:
I think Crabtree is working to move away from being just a mall and more like a downtown with lotâs of activities other than shopping, more like main street with a roof. Would not be surprised to see things like skate rink, Escape rooms and >lol< even pony rids as this one on 5th floor of a HUGE mall in Suzhou China.
Oh and almost forgot a multiplex movie theater and water fountains.
Per the most recent FEMA maps the 100year flood elevation near Wake Forest and Hodges has gone down by about 6â over the previous version. That doesnât mean it wonât flood. I have seen it flooding in that area after the maps were revised. It hasnât been that long since Crabtree was evacuated due to flooding.
Iâm more concerned that many projections are showing our annual rainfall increasing by 14% with an increasing intensity of rain events. Maybe the quarries can indeed be used as stormwater reservoirs. When you look at the maps, parts of the Crabtree building are in the Floodway, and the rest is in the Floodplain. Typically no development at all is allowed in the Floodway. I just hope they donât build to the existing maps with this expansion, or they address it with a solution that provides adequate storage for future runoff levels.
Hard to really tell but if zoom in looks like the old sears footprint and new tower have at least 2 levels of parking under them. Guess thatâs 2 fold, create more parking and get indoor spaces above any flooding. Does not do much for current building but did say âfocus on improving stormwater managementâ in renovations. Sounds like a lot is going to be done with $290m, guessing tower is only a small fraction of that cost.
$290 million is a lot for even a 30-story tower. A similar-sized building in Charlotte, the 29-story FNB Tower, is only running about $129 million. The developers at Crabtree must be including some other major work in their estimates.
Thereâs a huge multi-story parking lot below the building if you carefully look at the concept art. Iâm guessing that will add to the cost and drainage/floor management work.
On a slightly related note, why are flood maps so inaccurate? It sounds like lots of people try to just say âoh, weâll manage stormwater drainage and make sure things donât floodâ, but that thought never seems to get baked into a lot of commercial development projectsâ designs.
(Sometimes, it makes you wonder if that sort of poor planning is why flooding is becoming more of a problem around here, and climate change is only going to make things worse)
I guess the FNB price included the land in downtown charlotte, where Crabtree already owns their site, so think the tower cost would be less than $129m.
The entire mall needs a rehab. The design aesthetic of the mall is dated and is looking tired compared to whatâs expected today. From the renders, it appears as if they are going for something more streamlined and modern. I hope that they carry that through the interior.
Triangle Town Center now heading for foreclosure: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article232187432.html
Looks like Crabtree is making the right move to renovate and add density.
Itâs not blocking some wealthy retired residentâs view so theyâll allow it. Tall buildings are fine outside downtown.
Arcades are back! Long live the 80s!
or even 70âs Group of us from work in 70âs would go over to, I think an Abbyâs on Western Blvd that had a group of pin-ball machines and spend couple of hours for lunch eating and playing them (worked for software development company that was ahead of itâs time as work time was very flexible as long as meet goals. Head of team got mad at us for talking afternoon off to go see Star Wars, mad that we could not find her to go with us - lol )
That is pretty stunning news. I remember when that mall was built. Doesnât seem all that long ago.
Good point. TTC was built in 2002. In less than 2 decades itâs already in trouble?
Itâs in a fast growing corridor. Thereâs ever increasing traffic counts on Capital Blvd and on I-540. It anchors a growing region extending to Wake Forest. How do you mess that up?
Convince a bank to loan to much money on an overly optimistic growth projection.
