He’s 83-104 without Tom Brady.
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That’s more on his abilities as GM after Tom Brady left. In-game, there’s no coach that knew situational football as well as Bill Belichick. Players on the Patriots were always the most prepared team on the field to face what they were against.
Pointing to his record without Tom Brady is not great. Fact of the matter is that he was a major piece in the longest-lasting NFL dynasty to have ever existed.
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I might be wrong, but in all fairness how many coaches do really well anymore without a very good to great quarterback at the helm? Even more in the past decade or so. It would interesting to dig into the numbers.
Nah, Belichick is mid and a cheater. Go Bills.
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Hey! A football argument that I’m extremely knowledgeable about.
- Spygate 2007 was over a camera being on the wrong part of the field—and not because it broke any official rule, but because it violated a memo clarification.
- The 2002 Rams walkthrough tape? Fiction. the Boston Herald retracted the story and admitted there was no evidence.
- Deflategate. The Wells Report ignored basic science like the Ideal Gas Law to push a narrative. The NFL overreacted to save face and “protect the shield.” They never proved anyone did it and in court, their argument boiled down to, "We can do what we want because of the collective bargaining agreement.
At the end of the day, the Patriots were just too good, and people (like you) needed something to cry about. Calling Belichick mid is absurd. He was a great coach that has Super Bowls going back to the 80s as Defensive Coordinator of the Giants where his defensive gameplan was so good, it ended up in the hall of fame.
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I can’t speak for Phil or all Bills fans, but at least speaking for myself and my family…
We know Bill Belichick and Brady’s Patriots were just that good. At the time, the Bills were also just THAT bad. So we just say that the Pats were cheaters and Tom Brady was “just a system QB with a good team around him” and that Belichick was mid and was only propped up by Brady (who remember we also had to say was just a system QB but when discussing Belichick we have to admit Brady was good) - and we say all this to cope and to vent and to feel better about the long Bills drought era.
Today, however, is a good time to be a Bills fan.
Go Bills.
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Fake news. There’s been other QBs in the NFL…
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I can vouch for this claim. I’ve seen’em.
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Update on this from Indy Week:
Although 50 Plus 1 specializes in developments centered around sports stadiums, Valrie says there won’t be a stadium component to the Saint Augustine’s project. The company hasn’t decided exactly what to build, but Valrie predicts it will include “housing, food and beverage.”
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That’s an interesting read. Thanks for sharing. The plan for this sounds pretty reasonable and makes me more optimistic for SAU.
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I’d imagine that they are doing this with that as the primary intention, but they can pivot to a sports stadium should the Rays stadium in Florida fall through. It’s not a win-lose, it’s a win-win big.
They don’t “specialize” in shit! They have never built anything! This is total smoke and mirrors.
Here is an article where, in the process of bidding for the Tampa Bay stadium, Tampa very politely asks “who are you and how did you get in here?”
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They’re not building an MLB stadium in Oakwood, there’s no highway/transit access.
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Yeah, this is an awfully credulous story from the INDY Week. They take one brief sentence to note that “The city of St. Petersburg ultimately rejected the bid, citing its lack of detail and the company’s lack of experience.” But otherwise, it’s all stuff that could easily appear in a 50 Plus 1 press release (and some of it probably did).
This is quite the quote from the Florida Politics story: “HR&A found that the proposals by 50 Plus 1 Sports … lack details and specifics. It noted that 50 Plus 1 Sports doesn’t have an affordable housing developer on its team, nor does it have office, hospitality or destination experience.”
@xdavidj Didn’t we go through this once before with the notion that the Rays were going to play in DBAP next season? Somebody says very clearly and unambiguously that they’re not going to play baseball here, and then we “imagine” reasons to believe they didn’t say exactly the thing they just said, and maybe they could still do the total opposite of the thing they just said.
@oakcityyimby is exactly right. There will never, ever be a big sports stadium on the SAU land because of the lack road throughput and local opposition. And a stadium on the SAU land would be an objectively terrible idea, for those very reasons. If SAU does decide/need to sell the land for a use other than educating college students, the highest and best use of that land would be housing, housing, and housing. Build more housing!
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How in the world does my statement have anything to do with them playing in DBAP? A company that wants to build sports stadiums bought land and says they’re not going to build a sports stadium.
Not sure if you’re new to sports, but owners lie about not moving teams all the time. All. The. Time. Acting like it’s a far-cry is just not paying attention.
Not sure why you’re acting like everything is completely 100% set in stone. Access can be built given the right partnership and given the right environment.
Is it unlikely? Sure. Is it 100% impossible? No. The organization has a specific goal in mind. When an organization that wants to build sports stadiums controls your land, expect them to try to exhaust all avenues to build a sport stadium.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. It’s a material fact that this same organization bid on the Rays complex. It’s a material fact that the current Rays plan is in the air. It’s a material fact that leadership in North Carolina wants an MLB team
We’ve discussed this too much. In its current state, it wouldn’t work. Current states can change.
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There is no smoke
And there is most definitely no fire
50 Plus 1 has never built a stadium
And I’m certainly not new to sports
Let me assure you of that
50 Plus 1 lost their bid in St. Pete
Because they lacked details or expertise
The Rays’ plans may be in the air
But that doesn’t mean they’ll move here
And if they do move here
They most certainly won’t play on SAU’s land
There’s no highway nearby to handle the traffic
And that current state will never, ever change
It abuts Raleigh’s nimbiest neighborhood
And that current state will never, ever change
And the Rays need to get a stadium built quickly
Some leaders in North Carolina want an MLB team
But no leaders want an MLB team in Oakwood
So that fact is immaterial, too
An MLB stadium here is 100% impossible
And 50 Plus One has just said
It’s not their goal to build one here anyway
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Just to be clear, by “here” you mean SAU, and to that I agree. That would be one of the least likely places in the entire region.
As for in Raleigh, this is quite possible. With the backing of local leadership and especially Dundon, there is chance. Many things would have to come together so it’s probably a small chance, but by now there’s enough behind it to say it’s legitimate, at least.
Most likely spot, by a country mile: out by the Lenovo Center.
The other main possibility is Downtown South.
There are other conceivable spots too. In RTP, near Hub, for one. Or perhaps South Hills where Cary voters just voted down a bond issue for a big indoor sports complex. All of these locations have one thing in common: interstate highway access. That will be non negotiable.
But SAU? Nope.
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Correct. By “here” I mean SAU’s land. And not to get off topic for this thread, but I agree that “a small chance, but enough to say it’s legit” is an excellent way to phrase it, and that if we ever did build an MLB stadium, by the arena would be the perfect place for it. (I know there’s some concerns about finding the room there, but that would be ideal.)
Circling back to this thread, again, I agree completely: the common thread for any viable site is highway access, and SAU doesn’t have it. But the good news is, you don’t need highway access to build lots and lots of housing!
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If your argument is based on the idea that regulations can’t change, partnerships can’t form, or public opinion can’t shift, then I don’t think it holds up. That’s not how these things work in the real world. City planning and development are always evolving—what seems impossible today might look completely different a few years down the line.
When a company that says their goal is to build stadiums buys a large piece of land, that’s what I’d call smoke. Honestly, I’m not buying what they’re saying right now—plans can and do change. Just think about all those high-rises proposed in Raleigh that had shiny models and big announcements but never got built. Companies often say what’s convenient at the moment to avoid backlash, and sports organizations are infamous for keeping their true intentions quiet until it works in their favor. Plenty of stadiums that seemed impossible to build at first ended up breaking ground after a few smart moves.
This might not even be about the Rays. It could be part of a bigger plan we don’t see yet. Maybe they’ll pick up more land nearby or spend years lobbying for better infrastructure, like a highway connection, to make the site more viable for a future stadium—whether that’s for the Rays or an expansion team.
Right now, we don’t even know what kind of housing they’re actually planning, or if that’s just a placeholder idea. Until there are shovels in the ground, I’m keeping a healthy level of skepticism—and you probably should too.
Luckily my argument is not based on any of those things that I never mentioned. The lack of an interstate highway can’t change, and the presence of a well-organized residential neighborhood right next to the campus can’t change. Some of those other things can change over long periods, maybe, but the Tampa Bay Rays are currently homeless. They don’t have a few years down the line. They need to solve their problems ASAP. (And, seriously, a highway connection? Where? How? With what money? Do you have any idea how long it takes to bring that sort of thing from idea to fruition, even when you don’t have to do it over the dead bodies of every resident of Oakwood?)
You’re not buying what they’re selling because you personally wish they had said the opposite of what they said. When developers buy a plot of land and say they want to build a particular thing on it, we generally don’t assume that they’re being deceptive and they secretly want to do the exact opposite of what they said, especially something that would be vastly more expensive and difficult on so many levels. There’s no reason to think that here, other than that you personally wish it were so, and that’s not a good reason. Also, this company has never, not once, actually a built a stadium.
Name one. Literally one.
I have an extremely healthy skepticism–that there will ever, ever be an MLB stadium on SAU’s land.
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