curious on this one…the recent clark ave row homes…market price in excess of 1 million USD? the antiplanner guy states here" If you believe that a 400-square-foot apartment is the equivalent of a 2,400-square-foot single-family home, then it is hard to imagine that density won’t make housing more affordable. But once you understand that tiny apartments aren’t adequate substitutes for single-family homes, then density becomes a lot less attractive." Density Mandates Won’t Help – The Antiplanner no flames please, I’m just trying to get understanding on this issue…just how much affordability will result from the ‘specific conditions’. are the employment areas occurring more and more at the fringes of the city that allows less dense stuff to be cheaper?
has DOT been tried and completely failed? development oriented transit? more or different-typed transit based on what happens in a given area the the desires of the residents and structures they live in?
Substitute “housing choices” for density.
When I complete the 800 SF 2BR/1BA home in my back yard, it will likely house a single person who typically has to pay for a larger townhome if they don’t want to live in an apartment. Because of this option, there will now be an extra townhome available for someone else.
“Housing choices” increase affordability because it creates more competition (remember the term “buyer’s market”?) And it offers a lower price point as many have pointed out here. Infill THs sell for ~30% less than the equivalent SFH tear down in the same neighborhood.
I admittedly do not know exactly how the city councilors break down on this. But, your description seems right to me. Every bit of outreach of support helps with the vote coming up.
Speaking of which, @paytonc don’t you have a letter template we might could use to write support letters to councilors for New Bern TOD?
Alright. I’m putting it out there. What started off as a small list turned into something bigger. Why not. I really think 2024 is going to get into the weeds with this TOD thing.
Good read, although “that’s a tradeoff I’m willing to accept” reads a bit tone-deaf (akin to the classic “some of you may die” meme).
You’re not the one at risk of displacement here, so whether you accept the tradeoff is kind of beside the point. What’s more important is whether you can convince those who are affected that one imperfect solution is more in line with the good of the community than another. Centering yourself in that line may have the opposite effect.
Hahaha, excuse me while I laugh. No one will take these buses. Such a waste in resources.
Ok, what would you do instead?
How bout using our tax increases from the 2016 bill to actually do what it’s supposed to and build the rail
This is an interesting point. I hadn’t considered this argument. I’m wondering if you could expand on this and take us through some of your thought process?
People in the south have a preconception about buses. I think it’ll be a small increase in the usual people who take buses, but i doubt that’ll take hold. Just getting on a bus is a barrier for many car focused people.
Yeah, I can fully admit that this won’t affect me. Or rather it’ll affect me, to varying degrees depending on where the final zoning case lands, but all outcomes will seem like a dent in my situation compared to others.
I’m not shy to admit that no matter how this plays out, some people will be severely negatively impacted. Even if we don’t rezone. That’s why I think it’s so important to beef up those support programs. I’m ready to pay higher taxes for it.
Tax me. I think it’s worth it.
People don’t avoid buses because they’re a some sort of mystical aversion to them. They don’t use them because it’s inconvenient.
Take a look at the NC State Wolfline. Students are happy to use them because they’re frequent and convenient.
Introduce a bus that is more convenient than getting in your car and finding a place to park, and people will use it.
Haha, right. Let’s find out together. The proof is in the pudding my dear friend.
Not sure what you mean by that. I provided you a very easy example of high ridership and you’re responding as if I didn’t. We don’t need to “find out” because we’ve already found out. I’ll add that many students on NC State’s campus do have vehicles and still use the buses to go from class to class because it is the more convenient method.
Yes, the proof is in the pudding. When buses are provided in a way that is more convenient than driving and parking, buses do get used.
Not enough people or destinations along New Bern now for BRT. If the TOD runs into issues then what? I would assume the premise for success of the BRT is determined by the TOD. I still don’t know where New Bern riders are riding to. Downtown for work? Employment seems to be decreasing there.
depends on the era…cp and l subsidized transit, 5 decades ago or so and had routes then that ran to 11pm…but much less car ownership then.
Of course hardly anyone rides the bus when it comes around only once per hour and routing is sparse. It’s like saying you can only drive a car for 10 minutes every hour, and only on certain roads. Everyone would ride a bus or a bike instead because it would be way more convenient.
Restaurants, bars, the performing arts center, the convention center, the train station, one of the many weekend fairs/festivals, other transit options. All of these things generate trips.