You could run a trolly bus to meet that demand. The annoying scooters probably due the best job of moving people around downtown in it’s current state.
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What I mean is that it’ll be hard for people to really find out what the BRT is about. People will just superficially look at it as a regular bus. Also, if you’re not along the route, why would you take it?
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You’re making things up. I provided you an example where it works. Show me an example of a bus route with short waits that is not used.
Sweeping generalizations and hypotheses are not arguments.
You also have to consider that the New Bern corridor already has a bus line and that route is one of the highest in the system in terms of ridership, top 3 I believe.
I love a good armchair take myself but let’s not generalize here as there are existing riders here, there is population growth here and projected in the future so someone will ride this thing.
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Downtown being one of them but that big stop at Sunnybrook will be very busy with WakeMed, Wake County Health Dept, and Wake Tech Health Sciences all clumped there.
Also–There will be a park & ride lot at the WalMart at Corporation, and I think that’ll get people who want to avoid parking downtown to use it. Additionally, another nice stop at Longview which could be useful for Enloe students or young people going to Alamo.
Also the huge clump of shopping centers at Trawick—all of which are ripe for redevelopment if the TOD zoning passes. In fact, Liveable Raleigh has hilariously even used it as a scare tactic in this neighborhood—telling us that Tower will turn into the “next North Hills” if the TOD is passed. Like, as if that’s not a 1000% improvement over the s–thole that’s currently there. (eyeroll)
So yeah, it all goes back to the main point of Leo’s blog post from yesterday—the BRT can work but it really is dependent on the TOD.
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i guess this is what i thought might be ‘development oriented transit’ more easy options in the densest area…as it now is. trollies, scooters and bike lanes, etc.
i think in this case its spend how much for how many people? i get the plan for the future and all… but how many other cities said the same thing…with numerous fixed route structures that never really delivered on the ridership and cost great amounts? as vehicle travel increased in parallel? if i still lived in Longview and had 10 minute peak bus service, and even 30 minutes on weekends for leisure…until midnight. hell, id ride the bus with my bike all the time.
The point of TOD (the title of this thread) is to place a lot of people along that route.
When people see the bus existing in a dedicated lane and zooming through intersections, they will understand that the BRT moves at whatever speed that the BRT moves at. If people were literally incapable of assessing and adopting new forms of transportation, Uber and Lyft would have never taken off, and the light rail in Charlotte would never get used.
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Opinion piece in the TBJ from Eric Braun and Phil Veasley (DTR represent!): Raleigh needs transit overlay district for New Bern Avenue
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I just signed up to speak at the Jan 30 meeting. I encourage anyone else that is interested to do the same. You can do it here. Reach out if you want to coordinate, meetup, or anything else. If not speaking, consider coming out that night anyway. We could do one of those, “stand if you support” thing.
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I really wish I could come but I’m in Boston.
We desperately need more vocal and public support for TOD so that the naysayers who are often ignorant of the facts don’t control the narrative. We need people to commit to working a half day (if needed) and inviting friends who have similar opinions to this meeting.
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Transit has to be sexy. Simple. And conveniente and TOD and reliability and design makes it sexy. Same thing for anything mg there must be wifi and charging on buses also. We have to modernize the whole system I don’t see niceness and sexiness on our current buses.
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reminder: the group who shall not be named is hosting a community forum sunday to spread their message… who volunteers to infiltrate?
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The buses today have wifi and charging ports on them.
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They already put one of them online. Should be able to find many of their arguments here.
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This video verified what I said earlier. The main livable Raleigh guy who moderates the video is against the idea of planning for growth in this corridor. So it’s not like they want to change the plan. He wants to stop all city requested rezoning that is planning for growth on the BRT corridors. Instead they want have every individual property have to ask to be rezoned individually, and extract whatever is possible. Lots of words to describe that.
I am up for reasonable concerns and ideas to modify the rezoning, but this is not that.
The whole talk also skips any mention of what the city is actually doing and the lots where city owned or financed affordable housing are planned. Kind of an important detail that the city is planning and financing hundreds and potentially 1000+ units while rezoning 700 parcels. Kind of makes a big difference to me.
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They never seem to commit to all of the facts when coming up with the mass displacement narrative they seem to revolve around.
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I can’t even watch that video; I want to stay off blood pressure meds.
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Just signed up myself. Now I gotta figure out what I say. Sad thing is, they don’t tell you how long you get to speak? So I’m not sure if I should write something up first. Or maybe wing it, I dunno.
Jacobirving1 (and anyone else unable to attend): definitely consider writing the council if you can’t make it to the meeting. Anything to balance out the naysayers.
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Bob Geary also led the fight against ADU’s because he was terrified that students (who obviously aren’t people) would want to live within walking distance of their classrooms in his Cameron Park (sorry, Forest Park) neighborhood.
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