I don’t need an ego tower, but I certainly don’t want all of the towers being built on the west side of downtown to be the same height. 
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Kane’s proposal was mostly office with like a 3 floor section of residential. Probably would’ve faced even more challenges or ended up empty if they had already got started.
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The filing of the demo (which was more recent) had a different description.
Let’s not overreact just yet…
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Where the site so I can see this?
This may or may not take you to the actual filing. I had to do some creative searching/sorting to pull it up.
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Hoffman needs to update their website. It still says that a hotel is part of the project, but the latest ASR took that out.
I dont know how this works but would the site permits not align with the approved ASR? It wouldn’t make sense to go through the process of getting a design approved and then submit site plans for a different design, meaning this should be the 380’ tower right?
Yeah, Kane would have delivered what he promised, at least to the best of his ability. Dude has a reputation to uphold and has proven that he’s willing to dig further into his own pockets to ensure an impressive build win bids and deliver on what was promised. His willingness to contribute financially to Smoky Hollow Park as well as a bus terminal and fire station in North Hills are evidence of this (rip to both of those efforts, what a waste).
I do have my qualms with Kane sometimes (mainly the insane amount of parking he includes in most of his projects), but I was rooting for him on that bid because I knew he’d ensure that the end result would be as close as possible to the proposal. Like @OakCityDylan said, maybe it’s not quite what it seems, but my confidence sure is waning.
[edited because y’all are correct, Kane’s architecture is often underwhelming, but he gets stuff done (when he’s allowed to, that is)]
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EXCEPT for that hideous Kane project called the Platform.
And Park & Market, and several other of his residential buildings. And most of the glass office buildings in NH wouldn’t be so impressive if it wasn’t for their heights.
Kane builds stuff, but a lot of it is quite mediocre if we’re really being honest with ourselves.
Yeah, I’m 
because I have to look at Platform everyday.
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He’s the Marvel Studios of developers, consistent C-to-B level output that does the job but isn’t particularly memorable. And honestly, for a city as underbuilt as Raleigh, there’s a lot of value in actually getting stuff built.
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Kane mostly gets a grade of B or C when it comes to design. I am also not aware of any developer who consistently delivers A-grade design in this city at a scale larger than townhomes. Kane is certainly no worse than average.
As for parking: there is not a single developer who will go parking-lite in Raleigh, unless they are explicitly building a student apartment building within walking distance of campus. Kane is therefore also no better than, and no worse than, anybody else in that regard.
However, Kane gets a solid A on his ability to deliver what he plans. And for that, he is head and shoulders above anyone else around here.
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This is better phrasing than what I said. Kane’s definitely had some architectural duds, I’ll give you that, but his proposal for Union was quite nice. Decision-makers (allegedly) went with Hoffman because they planned to go taller than Kane did. Wonder if they’re regretting that decision.
Fair, but you can’t tell me the number of garages in North Hills isn’t overkill. I’d be shocked if they consistently hit 75% utilization even after full buildout.
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Even if this is scaled down to 23 and 18 floor residential towers (and that’s still hypothetical based on a possible inaccurate description on the permit site) … that would still be more density than Kane’s proposal.
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The demo filing is from August 8th of last year. It states two towers of 27 and 12 floors of apartments, which lines up with the ASR of the time. The appearance commission document from January of this year shrunk the floor count by two (to 25) and dropped the total height to about 380 ft. If the description in this new document follows the same pattern, that would indicate that the taller portion has lost an additional two floors. All else being the same, that would put the total height at about 360ft, which is about the same as the Eastern or 330 W Hargett.
Original ASR:
ASR-0068-2022 RUS BUS (usgovcloudapi.net)
Appearance Commision doc:
20230105PLANDEVDA-29-2022 (reduced).pdf (boarddocs.com)
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So you’re only counting above parking levels? Because that appearance document has a 31 story tower and 18 story tower.
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Yeah, only counting residential levels. I’m speculating (and hoping) that they are using the same counting method in this new permit that they used in the demo document. That would make the total floor count 29, which is a significant downgrade from the original design, but still impactful on the skyline
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yea your numbers match up with a rough overlay of the various iterations… blue to green to red (the assumed current design).
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Disappointing, but not disastrous. More than anything at this point I want some variation of height and materials (no more blue glass!!!) on the new builds.
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Still taller than the Eastern and the 4th tallest downtown only being 35 feet short of Wells Fargo.
Bring it on!
Who gives a crap about the 70 feet difference
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