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Their skyline is dense but short. It benefits visually from sitting on a knoll relative to the river and to the interstate that runs through the core of the city.

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Until shovels on the ground.

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Well, sure, but you said “proposed development.” Can’t be moving the goalposts on me like that :wink:

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Historically, Mville took all the industry and low slung office complexes, Cary did not want. Now tax $$ from those developments can help Mville gain momentum on its perfect sibling.

Look at thousands of dollars my downtown Raleigh company is spending in downtown Durham since Raleigh has no options.

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Except Red Hat which some people want to get rid of.

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Is your company Pella?

Fullsteam (corrected from Fullstream, thank’s @NoRaAintAllBad !) is closing their tap room in DTD. Kitchen closes today, tap room Oct 31. The RTP location remains open. Sounds like construction all around them, and rising rent, combined to bring about the decision.
https://www.newsobserver.com/living/food-drink/article290479059.html?tbref=hp

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I saw this on their socials recently. Sounds like the current facility will remain through mid-2025 as a production facility, while they look for another taproom and potentially a different production facility. It’s a shame they survived all that construction and now have tons of new customers on their way, just for the landlord to push them out. Interesting that Greg Hatem owns the Pit event space next door and the Fullsteam property. I expect he’ll sell or redevelop that whole parcel once Fullsteam is out.

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After a few, it is indeed a FullStream… :rofl:

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Perhaps a rebrand is in order. I do like it.

I am also sad to hear about Fullsteam’s DTD closure. We enjoyed dropping in there from time to time.

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I really like the DTD location. Never been the biggest fan of the beer, but really like the space that taproom is in. Sounds like if rent ask drops (it likely won’t obviously if the plan is to redevelop that block along with the Durham Pit location that now just does events), they’d be open to keeping that as a taproom - but one way or another need more production space.

I hope whatever taproom space they’re able to find is still at least close to DTD.

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Sad to say, but this feels like a classic case of the thing that made the area cool not surviving once the area becomes trendy

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Pretty normal, they move on to the next up-and-coming neighborhood, and the existing neighborhood is a lot nicer place to live

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Maybe they’ll move to the carcass of Northgate Mall and save it from the boring, unambitious redevelopment plan by making it the next cool spot

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The Northgate Mall area has been shit since before I moved her 15 years ago. The fact that people continue to complain that every redevelopment attempt isn’t amazing makes me laugh. I’m happy for people to have nice things, but the other side of that is people around there all complain about gentrification if any plans are too nice. I honestly never go anywhere near that area, so I have no horse in that race.

(This wasn’t at all directed at you personally, just a general gripe about that discussion.)

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in madison about a month ago. nice downtown lakes, lloyd wright design on a




outdoor plaza and viewing from the capitol bldg. a nice experience

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Madison is a cool place. The fact that their downtown is on a narrow isthmus between two lakes is such a unique situation that it differentiates Madison from other cities.

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First time visiting The Wharf in Washington DC yesterday. Really impressive and modern area. Tons of great restaurants and things to do, right on the river. It’s comical, though, to think Seaboard Station is going to be even remotely likely this. We get rectangles of apartments and they get all kinds of cool architecture.

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To our credit though, DC’s Wharf has just about the same exact nightlife as Seaboard Station: EMPTY STREETS and CLOSED DOORS BY 10PM BABY! :rofl: