Sidewalks in or leading to Downtown

Sorry for this experience John, people can be the worst. The NC State story is tragic as well. On the point you mentioned, I think most of the lights downtown are no right on red now. I am pretty confident that intersection in particular has a no right on red sign, so that drive was fully in the wrong.

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No doubt this man and woman are Trump voters. Probably go to church too.

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Very sorry you had to experience that. Traffic/car related incidents always bring out the worst in people.

I’m not sure how far the current ā€œno right on redā€ ordinance put in place a couple of years ago extends, but it should extend much further IMO. I saw someone in a crosswalk get bumped by a car trying to go right on red around Seaboard last year - and while not specifically right on red related - I saw a car turning left off W Davie St in front of Crank Arm this week that was so intent on waiting for the cars going straight to pass that they floored it when they could and didn’t realize that a pedestrian was in the crosswalk. Honestly think the best thing for all involved is no right on red and to only allow left turns at lights with protected green arrows for any area that could be deemed even semi-pedestrian friendly.

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You know, I was so startled by the whole situation that I didn’t even look to see if it was no right on red at that intersection. Let me check google maps.

This is a little more than year old, and I don’t see a sign here. Maybe there’s one there now?

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It’s signed no right on red on almost every intersection within Peace, Glenwood, East, and MLK.

For some reason it’s not at Peace/Harrington and Peace/Halifax, although they both used to be. There may be a couple others but I don’t know them off the top of my head.

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That’s scary, sorry you experienced that.

I think Oaks and Spokes is encouraging people to report such incidents here: https://www.closecall.report

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It’s mounted to the pole on the far right corner:

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Thanks! I wasn’t looking across the street.

Also as I zoomed in, there’s one on the corner pole where I was standing. Then again, he didn’t look to the right at all so he wouldn’t see the sign like he didn’t see me. Perhaps the no turn sign needs to hang from the cantilever next to the lights so that there isn’t an excuse to not see it?

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The one on the near pole is for Hillsborough heading west. The one for Glenwood headed north is a real pain to see. I just jogged over to that intersection and almost missed it in person.

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I still think that they need to hang from the cantilever to be more obvious.

This is the one at Boylan and Peace. You can’t miss it.

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I submitted a report. Thanks for pointing to it.

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I don’t think it matters. On my way over there, I had two cars and a CAT bus turn into me while I was in/entering the crosswalk on the ā€˜walk’ sign, Peace and Person, Wilmington and Hargett and Fayetteville and Hargett, they’re all mounted on the arms.

I’m giving the bus something of a pass because I ran up next to it as the light changed, driver still had no idea I was there though. The woman at Peace and Person definitely knew I was there because we were both right there at the red light, she was just gonna turn in front of me. And the silver SUV at Hargett and Fayetteville was headed the opposite direction and turned straight towards me.

John that story is nuts. I probably would’ve gotten my ass beat because I don’t know when to let things cool down.

Just wanted to say that signs are great, but that only works for people who pay attention to signs. Obviously several of these anecdotes show that, surprise, many people don’t care about anyone else but themselves when they’re driving. It’s not just downtown. I feel like we need a LOT more enforcement to break people of this attitude that seems to have gotten worse since the pandemic.

Also, as far as the sign being removed by Peace and Halifax, I’m assuming that was intentional because it was backing up traffic onto Capital and doing more harm than good with near accidents. I know that area can get very congested. I also will admit I’ve definitely taken rights on red at that intersection when there’s clearly no pedestrians, and large breaks in the traffic because of the light at peace and Glenwood/Harrington. Maybe after evaluation the city decided it didn’t make sense there.

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John I’m just gonna say this: you’re a LOT nicer of a guy than me :sweat_smile:

Glad you’re alright!!!

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Oh man. That’s horrible!

Maybe we need red light cameras installed? Folks will learn if they have to pay.

When I walk downtown and have the right of way, I always look over my shoulder and/or look directly toward the cars around me to make sure that they don’t hit me. It shouldn’t have to be this way, but it sadly is.

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I’m the same. I don’t start walking until I make eye contact with the driver. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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Terrible story—glad to hear you’re okay @John!

No-right-on-red was installed in 2023 based on the recommendation of the Downtown Raleigh Pedestrian Safety Study, completed in 2020. This was the initial installation:

To add to the conversation, I work at Bloc[83] and frequently cross the intersection a block over at Hillsborough/Boylan, which was not part of the original no-right-on-red installation zone. Some months back (after submitting a See-Click-Fix request suggesting as such) the City expanded the zone and installed no-right-on-red signage at this intersection as well. While I’m glad to see it, compliance is an issue as expected and I always look both ways before crossing when I have the walk signal.

I was actually just talking with a colleague last week who didn’t see the signs at this intersection and made a right turn on red, only realizing after it was too late. She made the point that from the driver’s perspective the signs are not always very prominent and are easy to miss, so I took pictures of each. Two of the four were installed on new signs planted in the sidewalk, the other two are on existing poles. I think they could be placed in a location slightly more visible to drivers, but it is also very much on the driver for not paying attention to notice it.

At least at this (admittedly unconventional due to the offset street) intersection, I wonder it might be more effective if the signs were all mounted on the overhead mast with other signs (red in the screenshot below), since drivers are typically looking at the stop light, than on the other side of the intersection where it appears smaller (it is a 24x30ā€ sign). Or, why not both? :upside_down_face:

It looks like the signs are installed in similar places at the intersection where your incident occurred. The sign for drivers heading northbound on Glenwood (not the direction of the incident as I understand, but I’m just picking on this one while I’m looking into the topic) is particularly hard to see as it is mounted nearly 30 feet from the curb on the opposite side of the intersection! At first glance these just seem like poor placement, but it also appears to be roughly in line with guidance from the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) which governs standard signage and pavement markings. It seems like the City is interpreting ā€œthe appropriate signal headā€ as the pedestrian signal, not the vehicle traffic signal, which makes sense if you assume that a driver turning right would at least glance at the crosswalk they’re about to drive across. However, I’m not an engineer so maybe this is purely a driver behavior and enforcement issue and there is no better sign placement.

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my 70 yo paretns got hit by a doctor in reno, nv while in a crosswalk with the signal telling them to cross. half the drivers put blinders on and the other half…. apparently are nuts.

this was an interesting historical battle with the visually impared population in Raleigh many many years ago….they were fighting agaisnt it of course.

It seems like the worst drivers tend to be wealthy people (luxury vehicles & big SUVs) and those with modified cars/trucks.

Clark Ave has a tree-lined median which make pedestrians hard to see. Lots of people take advantage of the free parking along there during the day.

Something dangerous I’ve noticed is unprotected left turns at signals around Cameron Village. I worry someone is going to hit a pedestrian trying to beat oncoming traffic. Those intersections should also not allow right on red.

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