Smoky Hollow Park Adjacent Development

I absolutely cannot understand this “argument” (it’s not even an argument because it holds no logical merit) whatsoever by someone living in a city :face_with_spiral_eyes: :face_with_spiral_eyes: :face_with_spiral_eyes:

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I actually mentioned to Councilor Harrison that using Piedmont Park in Atlanta as an example, the towers seen over trees there is beautiful and iconic. I also mentioned to her that the park there is also adjacent to expensive ITB sort of neighborhoods like the NIMBYs in Raleigh occupy.

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A “what are you for” meeting instead of the normal why I oppose this.
I like that idea.

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How realistic something is actually developed here within the next 10 years anyway? It sounds like the park won’t even be done for another 5 years or so. Was the development supposed to happen before, during or after that is developed?

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Thanks for going and speaking up! I had a last minute work meeting out on my schedule, but had planned to go :confused:.

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I actually started by saying that I actually lived IN downtown, not in a neighborhood near it, and that I felt like I didn’t have a voice in what was happening in my neighborhood because the city listens to those near it but not in it. I said that I support the tower bringing more residents to the neighborhood so that we could build the walkable neighborhood that the city said it envisioned, and not rely on the weekend “spring break” that this part of downtown has become.

When one of the particularly loud NIMBYs in attendance asked what was in it for them to move this along more quickly instead of letting the 2 year window expire with no action, I replied that what is in for everyone in the city is more tax revenues to pay for our hundred plus square miles of rapidly aging suburban infrastructure. I mentioned that we need to create more tax revenue in downtown to mitigate the bill that’s going to come due sooner or later for all homeowners in the city.

After the meeting, I told councilor Harrison that I was actually holding back and wanted to say something like “How come the buffer has to be on downtown’s side of the line? How come we can’t push into their neighborhoods and transition toward their low density so downtown isn’t ruined by their car dependency?” Clearly I would have said it sarcastically, but the more I think of it, the more I like how provocative an idea it is.

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MY MAN!!! Thank you for bringing some LOGIC to the meeting :clap: :clap:

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Wish I could’ve been there to back you up.

Tell them about the forum!

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Dropped off my car on West for service tomorrow and took this snap as I walked home.

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You have a car? Weird…

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Right? It’s 6 years old and has 23,800 miles on it. Of that mileage, there’s been 12, 805 mile trips from Raleigh to Miami. That leaves about 14,000 miles over 6 years for daily life driving, or about 194 miles a month: less than 50 miles a week.
I’ve often talked here about being car-light since our city makes it extremely difficult to be completely car free. I think that I do a pretty good job!

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You do! My car is 8 years old with 100,000 miles on it. Definitely many road trips, but also I try to balance out the universe with your car lightness by being car fat.

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The last city council meeting should be concerning. Remember that citizen initiated request to limit density to this lot? It should have been voted down. Nope, it’s moving to committee and I’m sure the intent for the Council of No is to follow through with a limit. Regardless of the validity of this request.

The council of unsure is a better word, but yea I’ll land on the hands of Megan Pattin to decide it all.

Reviving this topic since the city council voted this afternoon to give a waiver to the developer who was proposing a rezoning to 30 floors for the parcels directly across Peace Street from Publix. The waiver allows the developer to initiate the rezoning process in advance of the end of the 24 month waiting period following the previous council’s denial in May 2023.
One thing that came up in the discussion was whether or not the city will actually receive the funds from the Federal Grant that the city was awarded for the park. If anyone recalls, the developer was proposing building the park for the city as a condition to the rezoning. Having DOGE pull the actual funding could be a wild card here in terms of what happens with this site and the park.
Below is the start time of the discussion around the case and the waiver. https://www.youtube.com/live/5qltyGHTEtg?si=l0asXxmRQAZ0uXC6&t=3042

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@RobertSanderlin are you :disappointed: that this is being revived or that DOGE may pull the dollars that were previously awarded?

Hi John,
I am to say the least, extremely unhappy that DOGE is pulling/blocking funds that congress has already appropriated. :cry: :rage:

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Too bad city council didn’t want to let the developer pay for the park and get started building originally.

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Per the comment from the Mayor anyone that lives near the park needs to reach out and have your voice heard because it looks like that one or two complainers last time have already started their reaching out.

"Dear City Council Members,

I am writing in support of the proposed 30-story building as part of the rezone request. A taller, more slender design is preferable to a shorter, bulkier building because it maintains the same number of residential units while preserving open space and reducing the visual mass at street level. A high-rise also helps promote a more walkable and dynamic urban environment, aligning with the city’s goals for density and smart growth. I encourage you to approve the rezoning for the taller structure, as it offers a better balance between housing needs and thoughtful urban design."

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When the developer hosted a community meeting that I attended, I was the only one who spoke in favor of developing the site more densely and taller. After the meeting, other downtown neighbors came up to me to say that they agreed with me, and I asked them why they were silent.
As it turned out, I was actually sitting next to councilor Harrison and she was interested in what I had to say. We all need to raise our voices in support of the density that will allow the greater Glenwood South neighborhood to blossom into what it can be.
As for the NIMBYs, I truly believe that they would come to love the changes to their greater adjacent neighborhood with a taller tower, despite the horror of seeing it beyond their treelined SFH streets.

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