Smoky Hollow Park Adjacent Development

Over lunch this week, I’ve been watching sections of the city council afternoon session from Feb. 18th. In this session, there are annexation cases coming before council and being approved. What’s most interesting to me is that the council is talking objectively about whether or not the cases are fiscally responsible or not. To me, this a good sign for the rezoning case for the parcels across the street from Publix. They are also openly talking about the $ value of density to the city, and how the cases this week represent annexations that need to be balanced with more financially productive areas in places like downtown and North Hills.
I apologize in advance if my summary is overly simplistic, but that’s what I took from some of the discussion at the table.

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Targeting early April, Happy + Hale will operate out of a container on an empty lot on Harrington Street at Smoky Hollow in downtown Raleigh. The idea is simple. Bring a healthy option at an affordable price to the people. To do so, the container version of Happy + Hale will feature just three bowls—two signature and one create-your-own.

(taken from Triangle Food Blog)

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Love this. Assuming they’ll just use the space where The Line’s temporary leasing office once sat while they were under construction.

FYI the owner of Happy + Hale owns Madre & Moon Room.

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This is awesome! It would be really cool if this ended up being a sort of Food Truck Block, even if only until something is built here. Portland has several of these and they’re really fun:


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Came across these in Austin. Would be really cool to have something like this. We have so many empty lots around downtown that could be utilized like this.

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Kane/partners would be stupid to not activate that block while they wait for future development. I love the idea of it being a semi-permanent food truck rodeo. I saw this play out in Miami, and I’ve also seen it in Austin and Portland.

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They did just sell the Peace Apartments across the street (now: “Cortland Glenwood South”), so maybe they’ve got some extra capital on their hands…

Oh, that’s interesting. nothing like a little :dollar: in ones pocket to burn a hole!

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Yeah I’ve heard about these and want to check them out. Apparently the hotel we’re staying at this summer was built over one of them and people were PISSED. Upside is that they just opened a local vendor food hall on the ground floor a month ago.

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Charlotte has Victoria Yards but that seems more like an events venue.

Not sure I’ve ever rolled my eyes harder.

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So I’m confused. Do they want taller than 30 stories, or closer to the homes? Probably both. I support that!

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I think 29 story tower or 241 ft from homes would be OK.

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I’m really tired of folks who don’t live in downtown proper trying to dictate what happens in downtown proper.

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Is this the same plot of land form this post? That is not really all that close to SF homes. You have a row of warehouses, and railroad tracks. The sign makes it look like it’s directly in people’s back yards.

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Exactly. It’s not like we are making them move here or anything like that. STFU please and thank you.

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It’s like the morons who got whipped up about them building 540 behind their neighborhood when it had been planned for 25 years. Um sorry you moved next to warehouses downtown.

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Yes. That’s where the site is, and the road frontage along Peace is also significantly lower in elevation compared to the residences off of Glenwood: effectively lowering any perceived height.
The pearl clutching about this site is ridiculous. I also don’t think that there’s an intention to go 30 floors as you ascend north on West St.
Additionally, the site catty-corner (SH phase 3) was already rezoned for 40 floors. How are 30 floors at this site going to affect them any differently?
When is seeing a high-rise peek up beyond a row a trees a bad thing anyway? Does everyone want to literally live next door to downtown and then pretend it’s not there?
Lastly, this 240 ft being measured seems to be from the closest property line of the closest SFH to the closest property line of the entire parcel, regardless if it’s intended to go 30 stories at that point or not. If I drag a line on Google Maps from that closest house to the property assemblage along Peace St., it’s nearly 450 ft.


Even if was only 240 feet, we are talking about a house/neighborhood that’s up against a railroad with warehouse type buildings on the other side, and is then separated by West St. from the site. And, as you can see, there’s a pretty thick tree canopy against that house too. Oh the drama of it all.

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What if they flip the tallest part to front Peace St? Seems like that would be a decent compromise and maybe even look better tapering up to downtown?

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I’m totally supportive of high density downtown. That said, I do find the part I quoted ironic since there’s often a lot of commentary on here of what the suburbs shouldn’t build, by people who don’t live in the suburbs. Let Cary and North Hills be Cary and North Hills. Let downtown Raleigh be downtown Raleigh. This post made me chuckle a bit!

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