QUESTION! Where did you find this massing image?? Because it also seems to include massing for Smoky Hollow Phase 3 as well 
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Scroll up to the beginning of this thread⌠(but this was from the original rezoning that got rejected)
This massing seems a bit over the top and makes it look like the building is sitting right on top of the neighborhood like itâs up against the railroad tracks on the west side of West St.
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Except that folks who live downtown havenât actually influenced anything that happens in the suburbs, or even the neighborhoods that surround downtown. On the other hand, the NIMBYs in Oakwood, Boylan Heights, and Glenwood Brooklyn HAVE influenced what happens downtown.
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I actually like my choice overall. I have had some bumps in the road but I knew I was moving to an urban environment and I am excited for all that has happened and all that is to come. So bring it on. Four years laterâŚthere ainât too many warehouse left.
I think thereâs a considerable difference in comments on this forum with opinions about suburbs vs people that donât live downtown having yard signs made and attending city council meetings. Everyone is allowed to have opinions (at least currently in the US of A), the difference is the NIMBY action that comes from non DTR residents.
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I feel like the criticisms levied against suburban developments are largely systemic in nature affecting us all, regardless of where we choose to live; rather than, âthis building 500 ft from my house will cast a shadow on my yard for one hour every dayâ.
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Weâve reached the point where the Five Points email list is getting spammed with this groupâs messaging. âIf it happens at this location it can happen to any neighborhoodâ
Real talk.. wouldnât allowing 20-30 stories in downtown help to keep 5-7 floor buildings out of neighborhoods? I mean these people will even complain about 3 story buildings so its hard to engage with good faith discussions about what the actual concerns are.
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This is what confounds me too.
It would seem to me that if you didnât want change coming to your SFH neighborhood, why would you fight density and height in downtown proper?
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If youâre anti and NIMBY, youâre anti and NIMBY. Thereâs not much reasoning going on and most of them donât even understand basic density, mixed use impact on traffic and tax burden concepts.
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Iâve always wondered if presented the choice to support either the increased density or have their property taxes adjusted for them alone to mitigate the lost potential revenues, which one would they choose? How much of an uplift to their taxes would it take?
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just pointing out thereâs a fair amount of grumbling on here when things get built at NH or Fenton instead of downtown. Iâve always read that frustration that itâs unfortunate competition and they should have built XYZ business downtown, as though the demographics, population, and enough ready-made first class space are a match.
I think some better retail and âname brandsâ will eventually open downtown, but I donât blame or begrudge the suburbs for what theyâre good at. Rerfering to development in the 'burbs as
âtax burdensâ and that suburb issues are âsystemicâ (that wasnât you) seems like sour grapes is all.
Thereâs a lot to debate about development in the burbs and the tax income the municipalities and Wake county get from booming residential and prosperous commercial out there. I agree that the smoky hollow neighbors are being ridiculous. If everything is an âemergency,â then nothing is an emergency. Itâs merely reactionary. Itâs happening now in politics, so itâs nothing new, but it is very frustrating.
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I just received an email from Livable Raleigh about showing up in opposition of this rezoning.
(Itâs going to be rejected, letâs be honest) but they provided a funny image to scare more people.
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Why would you say that? This is an entirely different City Council than the last time this was up for rezoning, and one that is clearly more growth-focused and experienced in city planning and development. I canât imagine this council being stupid and shortsighted enough to reject PARK FUNDING from the developer for the concession of a few more stories.
And yes, this âgraphicâ is laughable and anyone with basic understanding of scale or at least half a brain can look at this and say âthis looks pretty disingenuous, and clearly not-to-scale whatsoeverâ
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I just want them to change their name to something other than Livable Raleigh. Itâs soâŚfalse advertising. Their idea of livable, while they are entitled to such, is not my idea of livable. The name just sucks you into believing you are in the land of poppys and sunflower fields. When it fact you are in a garden filled will holly thorns.
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Funny you mention this as I just found this website https://raleighnimby.com.
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Livable Raleigh has also highjacked (is that the right word?) a FB group called City of Raleigh Politics. Somehow that is misleading as wellâŚjust like the photo above. Say what you are and own what you say. I am so tired of half truths, no truths, distorted truths and not calling things what they are. Letâs all have the same vocabulary and not use sugar coating to deceive the public. We have enough of that going on as it is.
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Building new housing destroys the forests that our homeless population rely on!
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Thatâs a whole different problem that city council and livable Raleigh needs to address. Maybe just maybe if we had taller building we would have more indoor housing versus outdoor housing and less need for the homeless to be housed outside. That is with the help of livable Raleigh and the local governments. Just saying. I was being a bit overboard here.