Zoning and Density

Yeah man I always run out at 6 am on a Sunday to the packy to get my whiskey before all those church people hit the road to go pray and stuff, they are so crazy.

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A Sunday morning Bloody Mary can be a beautiful thing.

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So snarkiness aside, you are for Big Government limiting when/where you can buy alcohol on the basis of a particular religion?

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Let’s get this back on topic please.

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Thought this video from the N&O was worth sharing. Crazy time to buy a home. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article258677088.html?utm_source=pushly&intcid=pushly_1908758

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This is for @John haha

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Councilman Buffkin just made a comment at the end of the Nexus rezoning approval to DX-40 that given the number of 40-story approvals lately that a larger more blanket upzoning to 40 should be considered and that he’d be bringing this to council as a suggestion soon.
:clap:t3:

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I saw this too. This guy can be mayor as far as I’m concerned…except he’s running for state senate.

I sent him a quick email voicing my support for this downtown blanket rezoning. I think if a bunch of did, it would certainly help his message to the Council.

patrick.buffkin@raleighnc.gov

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i didnt quite realize that raleigh was putting towers everywhere. sure, downtown, being a native once i got to the cotton condos on capital i was downtown, now north hills…and prior to north hills i guess highwoods was the sole non-downtown ‘tower’ location. seems reasonable to me to have a few dense clusters around town.

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That a great and smart idea so no matter how the NIMBYs on the planning commission and Appearance commission (the latter commission being illegal) say about whatever there no won’t count and they can get a permit and get to building.

Looks like the map is out:

This is a Big Deal - it would raise density limits to allow 5X as many units as were previously allowed just a few years ago, and in a lot of the most exclusionary parts of town.
The city pays millions of dollars a year to run buses down these corridors, and therefore has an interest in allowing as many people as possible to benefit from that taxpayer-funded service.

Looks to be a half-mile buffer around the BRT corridors plus (to just outside 440) Glenwood, Oberlin-Lassiter Mill, Six Forks, Capital, Glascock, MLK, Garner, Avent Ferry-Gorman, and a “Beltline” from Blue Ridge through St. Albans to Highwoods to Lake Woodard… the areas within dashed lines

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i guess for many years the city has had the falls of neuse route running up to strickland. not too dense. if those busses got ‘fuller’ is that what is sought after?

I wrote an article a few years back about the stick mid-rise vs. concrete high-rise threshold, which is now at 7-8 stories:

There are a few subtler thresholds within high-rises, but you’re really starting to get into structural engineering to discern them. What I’ve heard is that above ~20 floors, wind loads are such that a grid of columns won’t suffice to keep the building standing; you need solid “shear walls” running vertically through.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/1-Interior-Structures_tbl2_228347447
For a very graphic explanation of how rigid frames + shear walls work, try this Miami Herald investigation into the Surfside condo collapse:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/special-reports/surfside-investigation/article256633336.html
Their analogy is of a card table on spindly legs, vs. one with wide, L-shaped legs.

Also, there’s a general increase in costs with height: more material needed to carry more floors overhead, more space needed for elevators to bring people down from overhead, lower efficiency as the building’s shape gets stretched out (therefore, more pricey surface area vs. salable interior volume). All of these get even worse with thinner towers, which is why those NYC supertalls are so incredibly expensive.

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This is a timely video that lays out why “neighborhood character” is a detriment to cities.

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In response to the criticism of the 40-story rezoning proposed for the 300 block of west Edenton, discussion here, I see comments out there about “they want to build a 40-story building” and I just :man_facepalming: everytime.

Now, I know you all KNOW that this is a rezoning height limit rather than what is actually going to be built. So I joked on Twitter today. I do think this number, “40”, just sounds bad. Just for arguments sake, while 39 seems silly and 40 is a nice even number, I would be fine reducing it to 39. :slight_smile:

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With unlimited heights now, 39 floors can result in a taller building anyway.
I’ll take a 35 story building with 17’ slab to slab measurements and a nice crown, and we’ll have our first 600+ footer.

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If buy one of those condos. :wink:

I’d just need a guarantee no other high rises would be constructed within a 6 block radius.

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This is real. In marketing, it’s called psychological pricing when you price products just below the next higher price (e.g., $3.99, $19,999, etc.). Because people in most western countries read left to right, the first number they see stands out (unless they’re aware of this pricing strategy).

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Exactly. That’s what I’m thinking is going on here. Or atleast is a small factor in the resistance to “40-story buildings” as well as a small nudge making it more appealing to report on it in the local news.

Maybe we consider the height limits to be along the Fibonacci Sequence. I like the idea of 34 and 55 story height limits. :slight_smile:

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