Zoning and Density

As tempting as it is, It’s not advised.

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Yeah - These days with nut jobs out there gunning down people that pull into their driveway or for ringing the doorbell to pick up their sibling.

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I’d only do that if they put it in your yard (I’ve seen people complain that this was done to them).

Ironically enough, you don’t have the right to move the sign from their property. The same way they don’t have the right to stop someone from building a townhouse on their property.

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“I believe in personal freedom for all Americans, unless that freedom involves you legally building something on property you own, thus forcing me to live in the same neighborhood as [shutters] townhouses.”

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I dislike sharing their stuff, but I think this is a good example of how organized some folks are. They moved on from hayes barton and are after these townhomes now. Already had someone speak to council about these townhomes and made a video about it.

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The ones in Woodcrest? That’s absurd, that neighborhood is a bunch of aging, relatively cheaply built small midcentury SFHs on big lots with overly wide streets with a bus line next to a big park. It’s a perfect spot for more density.

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Hint: EVERYWHERE Livable Raleigh is active is a perfect spot for more density LMAO.

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Yeah this is now the council of NO excluding Branch, Melton, and Forte, and Baldwin. My dad was right a lot of people want this area to be a quaint town and almost all of them are old folks and some millennials and GenZers who get radicalized by grandma and grandpa. Some are right wingers who believe FOX News propaganda about Raleigh losing character become a liberal Sh&thole, and I have Wake County DEM party leaders tell me oh big city quality of life goes down. The lady that told me that are as old as my nana.

i grew up in raleigh in SFH stuff…since 69. for 40 years until i moved. i have lived in apts in raleigh and in other places and i still prefer a SFH dwelling and if i had one in raleigh i would be concerned about any zoning that might disrupt that in such a way that you might have 4 stories right beside you, 3 more open pipes on Subarus and fresh barking dogs (ive experienced it). if that is what some zoning changes might allow then who wouldn’t be concerned. the older SFH stuff in ralleigh i liked. if the zoning changes dont allow it then no problem.

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I don’t want a skyscraper across from my SFH either, but I live in west Raleigh, not on the literal edge of downtown. It sounds super harsh, but all these people who don’t want a tall building “near” (blocks away) from their SFH at the edge of downtown can move to somewhere that suits them. I specifically don’t live downtown because I don’t want to. I chose my space, and these people can do the same if the world changes around them.

(For clarification, this isn’t directed at you, I was just piggy backing off of your post.)

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no personal issue at all. i read the livable raleigh stuff and i can sympathize with 4 stories next to a house… “if that actually is what new zoning would allow in some areas” . for those who may not want or currently have 'concerns of someone looking down on my deck as i read kindle ‘, etc or 12 new heat pumps in unison’.
this might be where a CAC can say 'hey… can we go with a duplex or triplex?" a bit of extra density within SFH stuff without 'the usual fears of extra of stacked dwellings entering an area. i think many SFH areas would be amenable to this. you can kind of see it around many areas of older and not so older raleigh to some extent. where an area is open via planning for taller and denser…my own notions would be along new hope ch road and near atlantic, go taller and cheaper comparatively for the area.

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I doubt Fox News runs stories about Raleigh. At all. Good or bad. Your hatred of older people is disturbing. Does your nana know how you feel?

I think that the rub comes from folks LOVING that they can walk to downtown, but HATE that it might mean that THEIR single family home suburban sweet spot is compromised in any way whatsoever.

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Yep, these are downtown EDGE communities, after all, and there will be kerfluffles ongoing as our #DowntownCreeps its way to a larger area.

FOX News has ran a story about Raleigh saying we have a higher homicide rate or murder rate than NYC and LA. It was not true because they factored the Heddingham Mass Shooting story, but it got us the national attention we did not want. Keep in mind part of Wake County primarily Garner and until Johnston County are red. Now to old people yes a lot of them are in terms of values even if they are not politically conservative, another word for that is a moderate. Now my nana isn’t and has never been Republican, however some of her beliefs about life has made me think she’s a conservative. I don’t know if it’s a GenZ thing, In fact, actually it is our thing that why are so progressive. It’s also why I mentioned those Wake County DNC members who were passing out there Raleigh City Council endorsements they are Dems however they think if Raleigh becomes a big city the quality of life goes down, it’s that type of old minded thinking that I’m talking about, you don’t have to be a conservative politically to be called one it’s your mindset. I love my nana, but I don’t like everything she believes in.

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Ok thanks for letting me know there was a story about violence in Raleigh. I’m not sure I understand your reference to the Hedingham shootings. Were they not supposed to include a mass shooting in the crime statistics for Raleigh?

Oh darn. Their viewers won’t move here now. :smirk:

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Here’s a good video about NIMBYs and the topics of views and shade. On the one hand, it’s good to hear that we are not unique with this resistance problem, but it’s sad that these narratives are so pervasive in our western culture.

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Very interesting video. A rather intriguing note from the video around the 4-minute mark: “The city of Toronto has a 130-page shade policy that describes how shade, natural or constructed, is essential for public spaces, especially ones used by children…” A 130-page “shade” policy!

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I thought so too! The most frustrating part of this example is the batting back and forth on the argument between the city and the suburbs on where new housing should and should not be built.

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