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Being in DC recently, I was struck by how dense it was despite the lack of tall buildings. In fact they apparently don’t have a single building taller than 329 feet (not counting two memorials that don’t house people), and only 5 that are above 200ft? Yet they are 3.5x as dense as Raleigh, and there was so much pedestrian activity, even around the non-touristy areas.This has really made me more aware that, while tall buildings are nice, as long as we are continuing to get mid-rise infill we’ll be alright. I’m going to be more focused on up-zoning from SFH → multi-family mixed use, than up-zoning from 20 to 40 stories.

DC, at least the distric proper, seems to have very few SFHs (as evidenced by all the rowhouses I saw while there).

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But the DC traffic! :weary:
Denser, less sprawl, less traffic.

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How lucky is Raleigh to have another cool downtown just down the road.
The Durham skyline really hints at a good street experience when you see all those cool upfitted warehouses and nice midrises everywhere.

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As much as I hate to say it, for the most part Durham has a better street experience than Raleigh.

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As true as that may or may not be, I am not sure it should ever be verbalized. Its something one keeps to themselves in polite company.

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@jake & @pBeez I’m not buying that Durham has a better street experience, but maybe that’s just me.

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@Jake @John probably need to define what you are looking for. For example, DTR has nothing on the street retail that Cary Street, Richmond or Main Street, Greenville have, that “window shopping” experience. But then there’s the flexibility and view down Fayetteville Street that they don’t have either.

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That’s what I’m talking about, specifically, yeah. That and their little “warehouse” district - not sure what they call it, but the up-and-coming area where Duke renovated that old cigarette factory and where Rose’s Meats & Sweets is (which has the BEST Ramen in the Triangle, full stop). Then there’s that street that Cosmic Cantina is off, there’s a book store, record store, etc. Just really feels like a happening place most times I’m in those areas. But Raleigh has plenty of that, too! I just wish we had more local/indie retailers clumped together in close quarters like Durham seems to have plenty of.

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I hear ya - I definitely ducked after I hit that “post” button!

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A historic Miami building is adding 11 floors while retaining its neoclassical pedigree.

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I don’t like this. They should add 8 stories of parking in its place

Not just parking, affordable parking!

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Eataly @ 4 World Trade Center. Ultimate Italian food hall.

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Chicago has one too. Amazing place!

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Edge Walk - CN Tower / La Tour CN, Toronto

So, Raleigh could do this…

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My dad goes to the eataly at the prudential center in Boston when he’s up there

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how were you able to fit the harness around your balls of steel?

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Agree. The Chicago Eataly is great. Would be great for Raleigh in 10 years

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Interesting story about the Edge Walk. Back in 2012, we were invited to a wedding up at a synagogue in Hamilton, ON. Never having been to Canada, we decided to make it into a Grand Loop around Lake Ontario. Flew into JFK, and spent the night near Penn Station. The next morning, it was on to Montréal by way of Amtrak’s Adirondack service up the Hudson.

Terminated at Gare centrale de Montréal / Montreal Central Station staying at Le Reine Élizabeth / Queen Elizabeth Hotel which sits atop the station. Toured the city for two days, then it was on to Toronto by VIA Rail. Got off at Toronto Union Station which was in the midst of a C$ 1 billion restoration. So, it’s total chaos.

Had already pre-booked the Edge Walk, but unbeknownst to us was that it was also the same day as the Canadian Football League’s Grey Cup match between the Toronto Argonauts and the Calgary Stampeders being held down the street at Rogers Centre stadium. So, everybody was arriving for the game by any means possible using GO (Government of Ontario) Transit buses, commuter trains, and the Toronto Subway.

So, here we were with our luggage trying to move across this tide of humanity to go under Front Street and get to the car rental counter below the Toronto-Dominion Bank. It was truly like a scene from ‘The Amazing Race.’

So, we ditch our luggage in the rental garage and hustle down Front Street to CN Tower. The Edge Walk requires reservations for a group of 8 to go topside, and there was a secure check-in process (along with the usual indemnity waiver signing). It was truly like going through an airport, because once you’re inside the secure zone, you can’t go back outside.

The harness was sewn into the jump suit. And, there was a large D-ring on the front and back. Once all pockets were emptied, wristwatches were taken off and left in a locker, rings were taped over, and eyeglasses were secured with a lanyard while cellphones/cameras were left behind, then it was a quick trip up 1100 feet in a glass bottom elevator.

Our group guide gave our orientation on the ground, then accompanied us up top. Off of the elevator, was a small vestibule with a stairway leading out to the ledge. The overhead track had two loops which came down from the ledge into the vestibule. Each of us was clipped in with a strap on the chest and the other over the back. The big carabiners were then zip-tied closed, so no easy way to disengage and try to make a run/jump. The two lines were always in constant tension to take up any slack.

One by one we went out on to the ledge. As we were locked into a group session, there was no way to chicken out unless you were the rearmost participant. But, while we were on the outer track our group leader was on the inner parallel track. He had to learn all of our first names, and would call out to each of us during the different challenges on the walk. All the while, he had a POV camera on his helmet.

The thing that was most notable was the whistling sound. The ledge was made out of grated decking material, and the September wind was clocking anywhere from 25 kph to 80 kph. Our first challenge was ‘Toes over Toronto.’ This had us standing to the edge and wiggle our toes while then letting loose of the slack line. The thing you figure out is being secure in your harness and aware of your feet. It wasn’t a bungie jump, so if you slipped and fell, you would only make it down a few feet while the tensioners in the overhead line would lock.

The odd thing was the depth perception. Anything that was over a few feet to a few thousand feet was simply down. As long as you knew where your line and your feet were, that was all that mattered.

So, after doing ‘Toes over Toronto’ then it was a walk around the edge for a quarter turn, and time to do a ‘Backwards Lean Out.’ That required sitting down in the harness until the slack line was reached, then you slowly shimmied backwards with your butt over Toronto, pushing out and then letting go of the line.

Once that was accomplished, then it was another quarter turn walk around the tower. Now, we were standing over Toronto Union Station. Being towards the north side of the tower, the wind was picking up. But, it was on to the next challenge, a ‘Forward Lean Out.’ You guessed it, one is deliberately leaning forward of their center of gravity, hanging 1100 feet over Toronto. For the really daring, you were encouraged to do a little ‘Extra’ by extending out on your toes instead of just being flat footed. I passed on the ‘Extra.’

Once done, we moved another quarter turn around the tower. By this time, the next group was coming up to do their ‘Toes over Toronto.’ We did some photo ops for our guide, some lean outs, whatever just to kill some time. We were over Rogers Centre by this point, but couldn’t watch the game as they had closed the dome.

Wrapping up, we walked around to the vestibule, had our zip ties cut, and proceeded to the elevator heading back down to the base camp.

Total. Rush.

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Not on the same scale as Eataly, but the Alimentari stall (combo of Mother + Sons and Left Bank Butchery) coming soon to Transfer Co Food Hall looks (in concept) to connect on some of the Italian market tenets that you’re seeking here. Mmmm, tigelles and charcuterie…
https://www.instagram.com/alimentari_at_left_bank/

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